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http://www.gender.org/remember/# Remembering Our Dead

Is the Christian majority in this country right now considering passing a Constitutional Amendment to ban full citizenship to homosexual people? Have laws like this already been passed in several States? I'm sure that Matthew Shepard committed suicide by pistol whipping himself and then tying himself to a fence to freeze to death. In the same way I'm sure that Gwen Arujo dragged herself into that garage and beat herself with a shovel before strangling herself and then drove herself over a hundred miles and buried herself in a shallow grave in a National Park.

Are homosexual people and transsexual people denied full citizenship? Yes. Based on the Bible? Yes, let's all remember Leviticus 20:13.

One does not need to sit by very many hospital beds holding the hand of some person who was beaten nearly to death by a gang of young men, who's hate was fueled and legitimized by Christianity, in order to become disgusted with the behavior of Christians. Not all Christians do these things, but all the rest of them look the other way and let it happen. You are culpable.

There is no hatred, I never hit back because the teachings of Jesus are very explicit on that, instead I write, I speak, and I try to wake people up to the painful fact that their religion has been hijacked and the teachings of Jesus have been so completely discredited that most Christians don't even pay lip-service to them anymore.

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To speak plainly in regards to the original post - this isn't important.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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Well, there might be people who would find this important, or at least interesting. Condescenson is powerful, and can stop a discussion in its tracks. So I'm bewildered by your comments - if you don't believe it's important, surely it is preferable to simply ignore it?

It isn't my intention to be condescending. I'm simply stating my opinion, which is that a particular airline requiring their customers to dress (or not dress) in a particular way isn't really a big deal. You seem to be angling toward some far-reaching "war on Christianity" or "war for Islam" and I simply don't agree. People who disapprove of the airline's policy have perfect recourse - don't give them business.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

I think you are vulgarizing my comments (not usually your style....)

Anyway - I'll let it die.

That is bullshit, pure and simple. Are all Muslims culpable for the extremists? Are all Germans culpable for the neo-nazis? Are all white people culpable for the K.K.K? Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

You said:

"Which is worse? The anti-Christian prejudice? The craven and cowardly fear of Muslims? The desperate attempt to placate specific groups? The fear of being politically incorrect?"

I have no opinion one way or the other on how 'vulgar' these questions are, but I don't think that anything I said was a mischaracterization of anything that you said. Your message is clear - this incident is symptomatic of the ("craven and cowardly") subjugation of Christianity in favor of Islam.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Welcome to the ignore list.

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During the journey we commonly forget its goal. Almost every profession is chosen as a means to an end but continued as an end in itself. Forgetting our objectives is the most frequent act of stupidity.
-Friedrich Nietzsche, The Wanderer and his Shadow

All good socialists have villas in Southern France. That's not the point.
-Eurosocialist

OK OK OK, I finally have to say this. And it directed both at you, and every other person who have ever put someone else on that stupid Ignore list.

Let me point out that even when you put someone on the list, they can still read yours, and comment on what you say, and it it has any importance, it will be reposted by someone else. So putting someone on the ignore list isn't proving a thing and all you are doing is sticking your head in the sand..

personally I want to know what someone is saying about me, and to me. and Those who don't are to me, only fooling themslves.

And frankly, I think we would all be better off if we got rid of that function.

Exactly, everyone one is responsible for their actions AND INACTIONS. All the Germans who sat on their hands and didn't try to stop the Nazis were culpable, anyone who didn't resist the actions of the KKK is culpable. Allowing others to hijack your religion and use it to hurt others without trying to do something about it, in my opinion, makes you culpable.

For evil to triumph it is necessary only that good people do nothing.

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Adios, Tonto.

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Kinetic, you know that while hijab CAN be political it is not universally so.

people like you are part of the cause of the politicisation of Islam.

what is your game Kinetic? are you into the Rapture?

So then you are culpable as well. We live in a diverse community and we do not segregate ourselves. America is a melting pot which means we will have the bad to go along with all the great things it provides. So what have you done to stop these things?

Everything I can think of short of violence, which includes posting on sites like this even though a lot of people don't want to hear it. I also speak at Universities, correspond widely, contribute articles, donate money, live frugally, and I educate myself continuously. And you?

The idea is not that we can single-handedly stop any of the insanity, but rather that we do what we can, speak up, vote for sane people, try not to vote on the basis of fear or ignorance. The war against homosexual people in this country is nuts! They represent about 2% of the population and you'd think that they were taking over the country. Since Bush got into the White House and started pushing the radical right Christian agenda hate crimes against homosexual people have gone up every year. And now they are trying to enshrine religious discrimination in the Constitution.

The rise in fascism in this country is particularly scary, secret prisons, torture, and "disappearing" people is anti-thetical to what America has always stood for. Yes, of course there have been isolated instances of torture and such all down through American history, but the difference now is that it is being made LEGAL. If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

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