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kinetic · #76 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

I once had to deal with a poster who had a double digit vocabulary.

And you still made no point.

Even if it is worn by Saddam Hussein, headgear like turbans, burkas, headscarves, hijabs, abayas, and other wrap arounds are totally political statements only. It lacks religious significance because it is worn by non-clergy.

MareTranquility · #77 (**permalink**) 10-16-2006

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And you still made no point.

I made my point but you didn't get it. No sunshine I suppose.

kinetic · #78 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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I made my point but you didn't get it. No sunshine I suppose.

You ignore my point and made no point of your own. There was nothing to get because you didn't say anything.

What I am claiming is that wrapping oneself in headgear, scarves or whatever, is usually a political statement and is NOT a religious symbol when worn by non-clergy.

For example, this head band is for syle and perhaps to keep hair in place:

This is political headgear of Terrorists for politics:

Again, a hat for entertainment and to keep the sun out:

And headgear worn for political reasons:

drgoodtrips · #79 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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What I am claiming is that wrapping oneself in headgear, scarves or whatever, is usually a political statement and is NOT a religious symbol when worn by non-clergy.

That's interesting. So, when people go skiing, they are making a political statement if they cover their ears and mouths? You socialists certainly have some wacky ways of making points, I'll give you that. But, hey, different strokes for different political idealogies, I suppose.

Rick Blaine · #80 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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The Inquisition, the Crusades, the genocide of the indigenous Americans, enslavement of the black people, patriarchical suppression of women, the Salem Witch Trials, the Dark Ages, the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland...want me to go on?

I know what Christian means to me, but what about Leviticus 20:13? What about the Biblical condemnation of homosexual people? What about our current Christian culture's condemnation of transsexuals when gender identity and gender presentation are not even MENTIONED in the Bible. Don't talk to me about not understanding the meaning of Christian, I seen the work of prominent Christians: George Bush, James Dobson, Fred Phelps, etc.

The teachings of Jesus are excellent but I don't see anybody advocating them let alone practicing them. Are you?

Huh??? Don't know too much about history to you? Lets throw a Transexual in the middle of Tehran, LOL.

kinetic · #81 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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That's interesting.

Hardly.

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So, when people go skiing, they are making a political statement if they cover their ears and mouths?

No. It's protection from the elements.

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You socialists certainly have some wacky ways of making points

I am not a Socialist, Islammunist, Communist, Anarchist, Maoists, Marxists or any other kind of Leftist anti-American.

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I'll give you that.

You have given nothing.

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But, hey, different strokes for different political idealogies, I suppose.

Again, Headgear = Politics . . Crucifix = Religious icon

Kevin · #82 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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Hardly.No. It's protection from the elements.I am not a Socialist, Islammunist, Communist, Anarchist, Maoists, Marxists or any other kind of Leftist anti-American.You have given nothing.

Again, Headgear = Politics . . Crucifix = Religious icon

Don't we use the words religion and politics just about interchanably in the Muslim world these days? Heck, some would argue we're heading that way in the states too.

drgoodtrips · #83 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

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I am not a Socialist, Islammunist, Communist, Anarchist, Maoists, Marxists or any other kind of Leftist anti-American.

Come on now, I don't think that you're anti-American. Just because you favor the abolition of private property doesn't mean that you don't like America. You simply have a rather off-beat view of how she should be run. Personally, I'm not here to judge - you don't have to deny your socialism for my sake.

Evil_inKarlate · #84 (**permalink**) 10-17-2006

I'm no theologian, so please do correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that the Sikh religion Requires a turban to be worn. By some interpretations and/or at some levels of orthodoxy, other religions require other garb, such as yamulkas, burkas, etc (sp?). I don't recall anything in the bible Requiring the open wearing of a crucifix. As such, they are limiting dress options while allowing those that are a religious Requirement. (This above and beyond the jewelry vs clothing arguement, which I thought was sufficient in itself.)

(Sorry if this was already mentioned - I read thru 3 pages of this topic before I got tired and jumped to the end.)

kinetic · #85 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Don't we use the words religion and politics just about interchanably in the Muslim world these days? Heck, some would argue we're heading that way in the states too.

Regardless of your religious belief, a woman is to cover up. That's politics 100%. Further there isn't any religious doctrine that requires wrap arounds.

The States are becoming more Christian.

kinetic · #86 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Personally, I'm not here to judge - you don't have to deny your socialism for my sake.

Your statements are oxymorons and personal attacks.

Yes, you are here to judge. And, no I am not a Socialist.

drgoodtrips · #87 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Your statements are oxymorons and personal attacks.

Personal attacks? I just said that I didn't think you were anti-American and you think you're being attacked? Why do you hate America?

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Yes, you are here to judge. And, no I am not a Socialist.

I'm just here to observe. I observe that you tend to be coy about your support for socialists in spite of your fondness for socialist imagery.

kinetic · #88 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Personal attacks?

Repeatedly calling me a Socialist are attacks.

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Why do you hate America?

I hate no one and I especially like America.

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I'm just here to observe. I observe that you tend to be coy about your support for socialists in spite of your fondness for socialist imagery.

I have no fondness for the imagry of Socialists. I don't support them.

I do however, use imagry as a powereful tool to deliver a message. Like comparing a Crucifix to a wrap around, one is religious the other is politics.

drgoodtrips · #89 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

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Repeatedly calling me a Socialist are attacks.

So what is you repeatedly referring to "leftists" as "anti-American"? Your earlier post made it clear that you think being anti-American is good, but now you've contradicted yourself, so I'm not sure what to make of it. Either you're anti-American or you are making personal attacks. Which one is it?

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I do however, use imagry as a powereful tool to deliver a message.

I know. I've seen your many pictures of socialist figures in commanding positions.

doniston · #90 (**permalink**) 10-18-2006

This comparison of things allowed and not allowed is strange. I don't suppose they allow a swimming pool on the plane either. How about bathing suits??? The fact is that they don't allow jewelry to be displayed by their attendants. PERIOD. The cross is a form of jewelry so also would be a Star of David as a pin or pendent.

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