Clearly. So what political agenda are they advancing? You know there are tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions, of moderate muslims that wear the headgear. Not to mention, the religious attire has been around for centuries, what political agenda did it stand for back then?

And do you honestly beleive that the crucifix has never been used for a political statement?

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Which individual are you suggesting?In America, it was rare until about 5 years ago.Typically, religous attire worn by congregations differ from leadership to laity.You haven't given any examples of this.

However, the there are plenty examples of political Islam that is intolerant.

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Just in general. Since apperently all headgear is a political statement, then what is that statement? Give me 10 examples of a private moderate muslim that wears the headgear as a political statement. This should be easy for you since to make the statements that you've made you clearly have studied this for some time and now of thousands of examples.

This is just flat out wrong. Can you provide any evidence whatsoever that this is true? I remember seeing many muslim and hindu people wearing headgear all throughout the '90s. Just because your paranoia made you notice it more since 9/11 doesn't necessarily mean that it has substantially increased since then.

No, in Islam headgear is required (by some intreprations) for all people. Have you actually done any research on this? Islam is different than Christianity, so what applies to one does not apply to the other.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijab

How about the Crusades, for instance. Not to mention every politician and celebirty that gives thanks to Jesus and God at big public speeches, yet live a life contrarty to any Christian teaching? They use christianity for their own purposes. One of the easiest ways to do this is by making "quiet shows" of their Christianity by wearing a cross or carrying a clearly marked Bible (Clinton did that). The cross is used for political purposes all the time.

What does this have to do with their headgear?

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An observation of Reality.There has been an all out front to use wrap-ups as a political tool across the globe.Headscarves are the gateway to fundamentalism was a debate thread on this Forum between Daisym and I. You may review if you like.Do you have something a little more recent than the 'Crusades'?Do you know Christian teaching?There are poor Christians.Do you know that Clinton wasn't reading it?Maybe you could explain how that's done.




That wasn't the reason for posting it. I introduced it because it clearly shows that political Islam must be preached or the Mullahs are arrested.

Further, the politics of the Terrorists is found right in their manual of hate.

Headgear is absolutely a political issue and a way to break down American and other cultures to introduce Socialism.

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I gotta tell ya', Swoop, if liberals drive you crazy, it's not a long drive. Anyone dim enough to take my post as a ringing endorsement of Muslim behavior needs a course in remedial reading.

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What reality would that be? What political statement are they making? I asked for 10 examples, but I'll lower the threshold to 3. Do you have 3 examples of private moderate muslims that wear headgear for political reasons?

Wanna provide any evidence for that? Any at all? You do know that Muslim and Hindu headgear was in wide use among Muslims and Hindus in the U.S. before 2001, right?

Not necessarily. According to several muslim Imams that I've spoken to the headgear is more traditional, which is often, but not necessarily, accompanied by a more conservative intrepretation of the Koran. It's kind of like when Christian women wear an easter bonnet, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are fundamentalists.

Yes, you ignored them. People profuse to be Christian all the time (Politicians and celebrities especailly) to further their own causes, whether or not they believe in the religion itself or not. All religion can and has been used for a political end.

I have years upon years of Catholic education, complete with some pretty hardcore theology classes. I'm also fairly well versed in Baptist and a couple of non-demoninational protestant teachings.

What's your point?

That was the point.

Simple. If I want to manipulate the voting population of a predominately Christian population, I would parade around wearing my cross necklace non-stop, learn a couple of catch-phrases out of the Bible and buy myself a gold-leafed version of the King James Bible. I would make sure to point all of these out every chance I got and over time non-critical people would be convinced that I was Christian. Given that in a certian voting pool, being a Christian is an important election criteria, this would significantly enhance my electibility. Thus I have just used a cross as a political tool. Polticians do this all the time, it's really very obvious if you look for it.

What would that be? The Koran? If so you are blantantly wrong.

Yeah, you figured it out. 1,400 years ago the Prophet Muhammed decided that he was going to bring down America (1,100 years before it existed) by spreading socialism (1,200 years before the idea had even really been proposed) by convincing people to put on funny hats. Few people are clever enough to figure that out.

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Better not get a copy of the King James Bible, he was a flaming homosexual and probably insinuated socialism into Scripture. Kinetic still uses the King James version because he didn't know that, but I bet he'll be looking for another Bible tomorrow.

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Define moderate muslim. One who moderates back and forth?Hindus aren't attacking the US.There are no similarities. Headgear worn on the street is political. When worn during worship, it very well could be considered religious garment.I would suggest that is misuse.What happened to your faith once you lost it?You seem certain that Clinton was using the Bible but am unaware how you could tell. Some individuals have been known to make lousy Christians.Is this why Hillary Clinton is wearing a cross?

I was referring to al Qaeda's Terror manual.

You seem defensive of Mohammedism and angry that I pointed out the difference between a religious icon and a policital statement.

The difference is fairly obvious. Some are religious like the crucifix.



And others are political like burkas, KKK and Hammas.

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You know what the word means in this context. If you don't me defining it will be of little use to you. You've still failed to provide what political statement they are making. Perhaps you don't know.

Okay, so Hindu headgear is not political because they are not attacking the US. Muslim headgear is political because some of them are attacking the US? So the meaning of the headgear defers based on your dislike for one religion over the other?

So if a woman wore an easter bonnet on the street it would be political? There is no difference between wearing muslim/hindu headgear on the street or wearing a cross. You only invent the difference to justify your xenophobia.

So you can acknowledge that Christian symbols can also be political?

I found it under my bed, next to my old track shoes.

No, I seem certain that you have at least basic critical reading skills, a belief that I continue to hold onto despite your repeated refutation of any such view. My point was that Clinton was using the Bible for political purposes, and that he in fact was not using it. My point was in that situation carrying a Bible in public was a political statement.

Yeah, some of them are very intolerant and hateful.

No, I'm still trying to figure out how exactly headgear is a political statement. When it is very clearly not an inherently political statement.

Burkas are a sign of respect in the Islamic world, KKK hoods and Hammas hoods are concealing your identity when carrying out horrible deeds. There is no sound basis for comparison between these two articles. Unless of course, you would also consider a wedding veil to be an anti-American political statement.

You still haven't explained how headgear is a poltical statement. I'm begining to beleive that you can't.

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I think it would be neat to walk up to the ticket counter and see a guy with a turban, a woman in a scarf, a Hindu with a be-jeweled forehead, and rosary beads & crucifixes. Or, it would be far nice to walk up to the ticket counter and see a sea of British Airways employees all dressed in their uniforms and not trying to push any religion, culture or ideology other than getting you where you need to go.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Yeah, the regulations are actually about jewelry. It's got nothing to do with religion at all. Not to mention, the whole thing is about employees, and has nothing to do with passengers whatsoever. If you wore a star of david on a chain or a muslim or hindu symbol on a chain, you would be required to wear that under you uniform as well, it's just part of the dress code. The only reason that headgear gets an exception is because it's considered obligatory by some intrepretations and since it cannot be covered up, there is no way for British Airways to get around it other than simply not hire people who hold those particular beleifs, which would be argueably discriminatory.

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Yes, the little green fist up there is a symbol of Earth First! No, I'm not an eco-terrorist, nor do I agree with eco-terrorism...I just thought it looked cool.