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British Airways Forbids Crosses But Allows Muslim and Hindu Symbols

I should not be surprised by political correctness at this point - but some stories can still produce a resigned sense of disgust.

British Airways has enforced a policy that prohibits personnel from wearing crosses - of any size - but allows Sikh turbans and Muslim hijabs. This is simply blatant bigotry. There is no conceivable defense for it. Yet it is allowed.

Which is worse? The anti-Christian prejudice? The craven and cowardly fear of Muslims? The desperate attempt to placate specific groups? The fear of being politically incorrect?


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I think we may end up seeing more and more of this in the near future. God forbid we Christians offend anyone by exhibiting a cross but by all means, let's appease other cultures and religions by allowing them to display their symbols!
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I think we may end up seeing more and more of this in the near future. God forbid we Christians offend anyone by exhibiting a cross but by all means, let's appease other cultures and religions by allowing them to display their symbols!
I am surprised. British Airways is one of the best airlines in the world, and one of Britains' best-run companies: I thought they had more common sense. Yet political correctness is more important than anything.
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I should not be surprised by political correctness at this point - but some stories can still produce a resigned sense of disgust.

British Airways has enforced a policy that prohibits personnel from wearing crosses - of any size - but allows Sikh turbans and Muslim hijabs. This is simply blatant bigotry. There is no conceivable defense for it. Yet it is allowed.

Which is worse? The anti-Christian prejudice? The craven and cowardly fear of Muslims? The desperate attempt to placate specific groups? The fear of being politically incorrect?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6051486.stm
I read the article and the response by British Airways. The issue is jewelry not religion. They have policy on jewelry that says it must be under the clothing--that's all. Turbans are not jewelry and thus are not restricted anymore that the Pope's hat would be, or a Jewish person's yarlmulke, or a Mennonite woman's headpiece. Why the persecution complex? I don't understand the Christian position: Christians are in the forefront of killing in the Iraq war: less than 3,000 of our people and more than 600,000 of theirs. Christians are still disenfranchising homosexual people with no loss of Christian rights. Roving gangs of "Christians" are still beating and killing gay and trans-people, but there no gangs of gay or trans-people hitting back. Christians have their guy in the White House (even if he is a barely house-broken chimp), Christians have control of the House and Senate, control of the world's most powerful military, and when I listen to the Christians on the radio and TV it's clear that Jesus will be back any day now, so what's the problem? Why the persecution complex?
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Roving gangs of "Christians" are still beating and killing gay and trans-people, but there no gangs of gay or trans-people hitting back.
I don't think you understand what Christian means.
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I read the article and the response by British Airways. The issue is jewelry not religion. They have policy on jewelry that says it must be under the clothing--that's all. Turbans are not jewelry and thus are not restricted anymore that the Pope's hat would be, or a Jewish person's yarlmulke, or a Mennonite woman's headpiece. Why the persecution complex? I don't understand the Christian position: Christians are in the forefront of killing in the Iraq war: less than 3,000 of our people and more than 600,000 of theirs. Christians are still disenfranchising homosexual people with no loss of Christian rights. Roving gangs of "Christians" are still beating and killing gay and trans-people, but there no gangs of gay or trans-people hitting back. Christians have their guy in the White House (even if he is a barely house-broken chimp), Christians have control of the House and Senate, control of the world's most powerful military, and when I listen to the Christians on the radio and TV it's clear that Jesus will be back any day now, so what's the problem? Why the persecution complex?

It matters not the the hijabs or turbans are pieces of clothing because it's still associated with religion, just as the yarlmulke and the Amish or Mennonite headpiece. The airline is making an exception to their uniform policy for one group and denying another group. Reverse the position and ask yourself how fair it would be to allow a cross and not a hijab.
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I read the article and the response by British Airways. The issue is jewelry not religion. They have policy on jewelry that says it must be under the clothing--that's all. Turbans are not jewelry and thus are not restricted anymore that the Pope's hat would be, or a Jewish person's yarlmulke, or a Mennonite woman's headpiece. Why the persecution complex? I don't understand the Christian position: Christians are in the forefront of killing in the Iraq war: less than 3,000 of our people and more than 600,000 of theirs. Christians are still disenfranchising homosexual people with no loss of Christian rights. Roving gangs of "Christians" are still beating and killing gay and trans-people, but there no gangs of gay or trans-people hitting back. Christians have their guy in the White House (even if he is a barely house-broken chimp), Christians have control of the House and Senate, control of the world's most powerful military, and when I listen to the Christians on the radio and TV it's clear that Jesus will be back any day now, so what's the problem? Why the persecution complex?
THANK YOU, I was just about to make similar comments. It is so sad that people are so hypocritical and partisan that they can not read and understand the whole story but only see the hot buttons. This goes for religion, politics, Imigration, gender orrientation, race situations, etc.
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I don't think you understand what Christian means.
Why, what do "YOU" think it means?????
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British Airways has enforced a policy that prohibits personnel from wearing crosses - of any size - but allows Sikh turbans and Muslim hijabs.
Dear Tim,

A crucifix is a religious icon. Head scarves, hijabs, and turbins are just political symbols only.

. . . . Religious Icon . . . . . . . . . Political Statement
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I don't think you understand what Christian means.
The Inquisition, the Crusades, the genocide of the indigenous Americans, enslavement of the black people, patriarchical suppression of women, the Salem Witch Trials, the Dark Ages, the Catholics and Protestants in Northern Ireland...want me to go on?

I know what Christian means to me, but what about Leviticus 20:13? What about the Biblical condemnation of homosexual people? What about our current Christian culture's condemnation of transsexuals when gender identity and gender presentation are not even MENTIONED in the Bible. Don't talk to me about not understanding the meaning of Christian, I seen the work of prominent Christians: George Bush, James Dobson, Fred Phelps, etc.

The teachings of Jesus are excellent but I don't see anybody advocating them let alone practicing them. Are you?
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It matters not the the hijabs or turbans are pieces of clothing because it's still associated with religion, just as the yarlmulke and the Amish or Mennonite headpiece. The airline is making an exception to their uniform policy for one group and denying another group. Reverse the position and ask yourself how fair it would be to allow a cross and not a hijab.
If it's jewelry, everybody's jewelry, then I fail to see the issue. If a priest can wear his robes and all other religious clothing is allowed, then it's clothing even if it is associated with some religious group. Are you maintianing that only a Muslim would wear a turban? I don't think so. Clothing and jewelry seem quite different to me. Why the furor? You guys are winning aren't you?
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I read the article and the response by British Airways. The issue is jewelry not religion. They have policy on jewelry that says it must be under the clothing--that's all. Turbans are not jewelry and thus are not restricted anymore that the Pope's hat would be, or a Jewish person's yarlmulke, or a Mennonite woman's headpiece. Why the persecution complex? I don't understand the Christian position: Christians are in the forefront of killing in the Iraq war: less than 3,000 of our people and more than 600,000 of theirs. Christians are still disenfranchising homosexual people with no loss of Christian rights. Roving gangs of "Christians" are still beating and killing gay and trans-people, but there no gangs of gay or trans-people hitting back. Christians have their guy in the White House (even if he is a barely house-broken chimp), Christians have control of the House and Senate, control of the world's most powerful military, and when I listen to the Christians on the radio and TV it's clear that Jesus will be back any day now, so what's the problem? Why the persecution complex?
Roving gangs of Christians killing gays? Why all the hatred and rage? There is not a word of truth in your outrageous accusations. If you have had some personal painful experiences, then it is your responsibility to address them - but projecting them on to entire groups in the form of slander and accusation is the very essence of bigotry.
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If it's jewelry, everybody's jewelry, then I fail to see the issue. If a priest can wear his robes and all other religious clothing is allowed, then it's clothing even if it is associated with some religious group. Are you maintianing that only a Muslim would wear a turban? I don't think so. Clothing and jewelry seem quite different to me. Why the furor? You guys are winning aren't you?
This isn't about winning, it's about equality. Would a Sikh person be allowed to wear a Kara? If not, you'd surely see a big stink about it and they'd win because it's politically correct. Just because a cross isn't a piece of clothing doesn't mean that it's not just as important to a Christian as a Kara is to a Sikh or a hijab to a Muslim. If an exception is made to a uniform for one religious symbol, then an exception should be made for all religious symbols
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This isn't about winning, it's about equality. With a Sikh person be allowed to wear a Kara? If not, you'd surely see a big stink about it and they'd win because it's politically correct. Just because a cross isn't a piece of clothing doesn't mean that it's not just as important to a Christian as a Kara is to a Sikh or a hijab to a Muslim. If an exception is made to a uniform for one religious symbol, then an exception should be made for all religious symbols
And that's exactly the point. It is the petty rule-making and the narrow-mindedness and the unfairness that is the issue here.
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I should not be surprised by political correctness at this point - but some stories can still produce a resigned sense of disgust.

British Airways has enforced a policy that prohibits personnel from wearing crosses - of any size - but allows Sikh turbans and Muslim hijabs. This is simply blatant bigotry. There is no conceivable defense for it. Yet it is allowed.

Which is worse? The anti-Christian prejudice? The craven and cowardly fear of Muslims? The desperate attempt to placate specific groups? The fear of being politically incorrect?


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I see no issue with private companies being able to dictate what sort of attire is required from their customers. Personally, I'm less concerned with the "War on Christianity" than I am with the irritating policy that the Chinese place has around the corner of not letting me walk in barefoot in the summer.
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