and once more you are spewing gobbledegook. which means absolutely nothing. You have yet to explain why (repeat0 WHY, and/or how (repeat) HOW you think any of those subjects have anything to do with the issue. Until you do that you are screaming at the wind, nothing more.

Everything I stated made sense and was clear.They have everything to do with the topic. Without history, math, biology, science and morality how else do we make assessments? What is to be used as a guide? If you ruled out these, then there isn't anything to base an issue, as important as marriage, on.

Relative to the topic, what do you propose to use as a 'guide'? Aren't you the one who claimed that history, math, biology, history and morality into marriage is in it'self a form of Anarchy?

That's crazy. How are you to value anything if you rule out using tool? What do you use as a guide? Nothing? Air? Duh.

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A true conservative eh? Nothing should change, change is evil, nothing can adapt, and anything that does is against God and society. Shouldn't you be Amish?

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kinetic;835262]Everything I stated made sense and was clear.
RESPONSE On the contrary, They make sense to you only because you stated them and YOU know what you meant. After reading your comments and the responses to them on several threads, I only know of one person who was on you side, and he agreed just because everyone was against you, and he didn't try to clarify anything either.

I dare say the NO ONE--Nobody on these forums understands your point.Certainly No one has come forth and said so.


Without history, math, biology, science and morality how else do we make assessments? What is to be used as a guide? If you ruled out these, then there isn't anything to base an issue, as important as marriage, on.
RESPONSE How about LOGIC, REASON, and MORALITY (not your morality, but the general morality of the world.)

As I said, the things you want to rely on have nothing to do with this particular issue, any more than a skill saw having to do with hammering a nail.

Relative to the topic, what do you propose to use as a 'guide'?
RESPONSE I answered that above.

Aren't you the one who claimed that history, math, biology, history and morality into marriage is in it'self a form of Anarchy?
RESPONSETell you what---Go back and read EXACTLY what I said.

That's crazy. How are you to value anything if you rule out using tool? What do you use as a guide? Nothing? Air? Duh.
RESPONSEThe tools I listed above, They each have something to do with the issue.

With rare exceptions, everyone understands the biological design of the human species, math, science and history.Nothing is unclear about science, math, biology or history.You don't speak for the entire forum. Further, why you object to math, science, biology and history, as reference is the unclear part.Math, biology, science, and history are the most logical and reasonable tools known. General morality of the world? I have no idea what this means and I doubt if there is such a thing.American History, biology, science and math are the most reliable tools known and has everything to do with Reality. Everything else is politics only.You proposed using General morality of the world. What in the world is that supposed to mean and how does it trump science and history?I did. Here is what you said:So, I ask you again, "Aren't you the one who claimed that history, math, biology, history and morality into marriage is in it'self a form of Anarchy?"
General morality of the world is nonsense and abtuse. There is no such thing and has no place in the United States. Further, we have the Declaration of Independence and Constitution as tools along with history, math, biology, history and morality as tools to develop rational laws and none of them support the termination of marriage laws like you advocate.

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kinetic;835605]With rare exceptions, everyone understands the biological design of the human species, math, science and history.Nothing is unclear about science, math, biology or history.
RESPONSE You are correct when used in their proper places, but that is the point you ar using them in a wrong setting.

You don't speak for the entire forum.
RESPONSEOf course not, but the visual evidence is that I am correct No one seems to be disputing my position, only your's

Further, why you object to math, science, biology and history, as reference is the unclear part.Math, biology, science, and history are the most logical an
]d reasonable tools known.
RESPONSEThey are with proper use. but this isn't it.

General morality of the world? I have no idea what this means and I doubt if there is such a thing.
RESPONSE let the word GENERAL be your clue. it means something widespread but non-specific Example: Ever religion I have ever heard of has their rendition of "Do upon others as you would have them do unto You This is a form of GENERAL Morality.

American History, biology, science and math are the most reliable tools known and has everything to do with Reality.
RESPONSE TRUE, but Reality is not only marriage laws. and they have little to do with the setting of them.

I ask you again, "Aren't you the one who claimed that history, math, biology, history and morality into marriage is in it'self a form of Anarchy?"
RESPONSE READ IT AGAIN. I said YOUR insistance in using them as your basis was Anachy, on the subject themselves. (Try a little reading comprehension.)

we have the Declaration of Independence and Constitution as tools along with history, math, biology, history and morality as tools to develop rational laws[
B]RESPONSE[/b] I agree

and none of them support the termination of marriage laws like you advocate.

RESPONSE That is strictly your imagination. I do NOT support the termination of any marriage laws.

This is exactly why gays shouldn’t be allowed to get married. ^^^ Typical snow ball effect. If you allow gays to get married the left will just stay “why cant bisexuals have a husband and a wife? That’s no fair”

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I think your mothers have been fucked by an huge dick , an unforgattable one , so your mothers gave birth like you homosexuals.... I think you r all ultrasonofbitches... one day your mthers will say im satisfied enough dont fuck me any more.. Then u will realize that bisexual marriage not a god thing...

You have a terrible demeaner, offer poor arguments and have a fillthy description style.

There is no need for these kinds of posts.

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There is a fundamental difference between applying aspects of the constitution to UNFORSEEABLE situations (almost exclusively due to technology) and saying that the actual understood meaning CHANGES.

I would say that "freedom of speech" does NOT apply in any way shape or form to the internet. What DOES protect online posting is actually freedom of the PRESS, which TOGETHER with Freedom of SPEECH were understood to protect the production and DISSEMINATION of the spoken and written word (the "press" literarly referred to the PRINTING press and not the "press" as we use that word today meaning the news media).

Then why were the 15th and 19th amendments neccesary? Furthermore, if saying "equal protection" has substantive impact on the DEFINITION of marriage (ONE man to ONE woman) as opposed to merely the accessibility of that institution AS DEFINED, why then doesn't the same hold true to taxation? Why isn't it a violation of my "equal protection" rights to pay a higher dollar amount in taxes than anyone else? Does "equal protection" require that I pay no more in taxes than any other citizen?

And what about age of consent laws? Are they a violation of "equal protection"? Aren't five year olds constitutionally entitled to have sex with 40 year old men? Grateful if you would explain how your rhetoric does not apply to such a situation.

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I am one of the few who would actually reply to homosexual topics. The vast majority of Americans have approved Amendments when the they are asked to vote.Vague morality guides are about as good as having no guide at all.

There are valid reasons for one-woman one-man marriage laws that are not vague but you won't allow discussion of math, science, biology and history because they don't fit your agenda. I have never heard any argument such thing as 'general morality' in law creation. However, the mathematical formula M+F>M+M or F+F has already been with Congress for years.There isn't any reason to deny the Reality of historic, biological, scientific or mathematical arguments in the creation of any law. That homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the biological design of the human species is significant. The only reason to squash these arguments are politically motivated.Neither do I but, that was the impression you gave.

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If that's the most intelligent thing you have to say on the topic my ignore list is just going to get longer.

Pleased to meet you too, saytruth. /sarcasm

Do you realize that "that" doesn't make the least bit of sense????

Well, I have tried to get thru to you, but that appears to be impossible. This post of yours is no more an a collection of oft-repeated garbage that does not address the reasons why, or how you have come to your conclusions although I have asked for clarification in nearly every post. I won't try again.

KEEP DREAMING.

HAH, I don't even know who he was talking to or about.