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Donkey_Left · #16 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by Crystal

What do you think? Will this bring out the conservative base? Is this issue that important compared to other issues? I know many people here view me as conservative, but I got to tell you, when I posted eariler that I think the NJ ruling is great news it was not for the reasons stated in the article. I'm not looking to bring out the religious right.

This might have worked last time around, but the fickle great unwashed seems to have moved on.

kinetic · #17 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by Crystal

Will this bring out the conservative base?

The homosexual Left base is already out and sitting on the bench. It is unlikely that Conservatives can stop the trainwrecked gay judges from destroying American culture.

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Originally Posted by Crystal

Is this issue that important compared to other issues?

One-woman one-man marriage laws, the Defense of Marriage Act are vital to a vibrant and healthy next generation of tax paying citizens and very important to the stability of American culture.

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I know many people here view me as conservative

You are viewed as a Lefty by your posts by me, Kinetic a Realist.

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I'm not looking to bring out the religious right.

How about Realists?

doniston · #18 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Seems kind of like grasping at straws to me. Gay marriage seems to have taken a backseat lately and hardly seems to be the hot button issue it was awhile ago. Seems that Iraq, immigration and government spending are starting to dominate the scene now.

I do enjoy things like this, though, when parties take something that is actually a blow against them and try to make it seem like a positive. First, Michael J. Fox's stem cell research commercial seems to be a success for those who support stem cell research, but then the conservatives claim that it's actually a victory for them, because it will mobilize anti-stem cell votes. Now, gay marriage makes some headway, which is a blow to anti-gay marriage advocates, but it's somehow good news as well.

Everything is good news for everyone in an election year, it seems. The spin is amazing.

Yep, Funny isn't it---in a pitiful sort of way.

Look at all the Anti-american things Bush has done. Warrentless taps, torture, etc. and the war, but is an Ironic way, they are all GOOD for the Dems, even tho in the long run they are horrendous.

doniston · #19 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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The homosexual Left base is already out and sitting on the bench. It is unlikely that Conservatives can stop the trainwrecked gay judges from destroying American culture.One-woman one-man marriage laws, the Defense of Marriage Act are vital to a vibrant and healthy next generation of tax paying citizens and very important to the stability of American culture.You are viewed as a Lefty by your posts by me, Kinetic a Realist.How about Realists?

Fortunately, for this country. you are about as real as the little Green men from Mars. But you are definitely scary

kinetic · #20 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by doniston

Fortunately, for this country. you are about as real as the little Green men from Mars. But you are definitely scary

Bashing is a very Leftist technique employed when confronted with Reality.

You have no ideas so you bash instead of debate. I am not the topic but, because you are unable to articulate an original thought, you must resort to name-calling and other base behaviors.

Crystal · #21 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by kinetic

The homosexual Left base is already out and sitting on the bench. It is unlikely that Conservatives can stop the trainwrecked gay judges from destroying American culture.One-woman one-man marriage laws, the Defense of Marriage Act are vital to a vibrant and healthy next generation of tax paying citizens and very important to the stability of American culture.You are viewed as a Lefty by your posts by me, Kinetic a Realist.How about Realists?

A political realist? Is that how you describe yourself?

timj219 · #22 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by kinetic

The homosexual Left base is already out and sitting on the bench. It is unlikely that Conservatives can stop the trainwrecked gay judges from destroying American culture.One-woman one-man marriage laws, the Defense of Marriage Act are vital to a vibrant and healthy next generation of tax paying citizens and very important to the stability of American culture.You are viewed as a Lefty by your posts by me, Kinetic a Realist.How about Realists?

There was a time in this country when protecting civil liberties against government intrusion was a conservative tenet.

kinetic · #23 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by timj219

There was a time in this country when protecting civil liberties against government intrusion was a conservative tenet.

What government intrusion are you referring to?

Do you have a private life? Who would want to 'intrude'? Ridiculous assertions arrive in vague statements.

Democrats lack clarity. Are you a Demoncrat?

doniston · #24 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by kinetic

Bashing is a very Leftist technique employed when confronted with Reality.

You have no ideas so you bash instead of debate. I am not the topic but, because you are unable to articulate an original thought, you must resort to name-calling and other base behaviors.

Now that is really funny since I am the one who has countered your points over and over again. on all of the several threads that you have been ranting on. While you continue to decline to explain your position.

timj219 · #25 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by kinetic

What government intrusion are you referring to?

Do you have a private life? Who would want to 'intrude'? Ridiculous assertions arrive in vague statements.

Democrats lack clarity. Are you a Demoncrat?

My apologies. If I'd had any idea I was addressing someone who is unfamiliar with the concept of government intrusion I would have explained it to you.

Government intrusion into private life is what happens when agents of the government require you to adhere to government approved behaviors in your private life in order to be treated like other citizens.

Denying homosexuals equal protection based on their sexual preference is a government intrusion into their private lives. It really couldn't be much clearer.

drgoodtrips · #26 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by kinetic

What government intrusion are you referring to?

Do you have a private life? Who would want to 'intrude'? Ridiculous assertions arrive in vague statements.

Democrats lack clarity. Are you a Demoncrat?

That's a very socialist outlook. The benevolent government would never intrude on our privacy or encroach on our rights. What are Big Brothers for?

Tim · #27 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by Crystal

What do you think? Will this bring out the conservative base? Is this issue that important compared to other issues? I know many people here view me as conservative, but I got to tell you, when I posted eariler that I think the NJ ruling is great news it was not for the reasons stated in the article. I'm not looking to bring out the religious right.

I'm a little confused as to why you are so enthusiastic about this development - and I don't think there is anyone here who thinks of you as a conservative. That is not why I am confused. I'm just not clear why this is considered to be such a wonderful thing.

Tim · #28 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by timj219

There was a time in this country when protecting civil liberties against government intrusion was a conservative tenet.

And there was also a time when "civil liberties" was not used as a cover term for the latest development in political correctness - so that anyone who opposes the lastest left-wing trend is automatically "opposed to civil liberties".

timj219 · #29 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by Tim

And there was also a time when "civil liberties" was not used as a cover term for the lastest development in political correctness - so that anyone who opposes the lastest left-wing trend is automatically "opposed to civil liberties".

Does that statement have something to do with this discussion? If it does I'm not seeing it. Unless you are claiming only "left wing" people are homosexual?

kinetic · #30 (**permalink**) 10-27-2006

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Originally Posted by Crystal

A political realist? Is that how you describe yourself?

A Realist is what I said and what I meant.

For example, there should be no surprise that the New Jersey Courts are packed with homosexual activists. As Governor and one who engaged in homosexual conduct, Jim Mcgreevey put them into key positions. It's too late for the people of New Jersey. Their will has been undermined by an agenda of the Left. That is Reality.

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