Originally Posted by Swoop187

Homosexuality is a mental defect anyway you look at it. I know you lefties love to say its natural but what the hell is natural?.. Look homosexuality IS not normal like the left would love to believe it is. When homosexuals make up less then 2% of the population its not normal plain and simple...would you concur on that one or do we need to change the English language to make homosexuals feel more comfortable about what’s "normal"?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

...now the real issue is should homosexuals be accepted? Sure at an adult level but homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to just walk around and act like a normal heterosexual couple in public....I don’t want kids to see that, kids are open to suggestion.. You know that? Otherwise you dems wouldn’t be trying to ban violent movies and violent video games......A kid couldn’t possibly be turned into a homosexual BUT kids can be effected by violent video games?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

You know what I think? this is a fucking issue blown way out of proportion by the dems an issue to run on a fucking issue all the hippies can say "this is just wrong" because we know that we are all created equal and some how the democrats are going to change man kind and make everyone equal.... the second people are equal is the second we all turn into sheep, in order for people to think equally they would have to ALL think the same?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Yea I think that would have to be a fact, now think about it... wait I think some of us are smarter then that, we know that all that really matters on this "homosexual" issue is that gays can get married... Well what about bi-sexual people???? Fuck, ill bet there are more bi-sexual people then gay people! Do they have the right to marry a man and a woman? Mmm tricky?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

...now wouldn’t it just be better if a man married a woman and vice versa? keep it simple? Now that doesn’t mean that homosexual and lesbian relationships are less moral or illegal, it means that society is trying to avoid a snowball effect and if you think one wont happen well your just naive.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

I could write a book on this subject..

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Homosexuality is a mental defect anyway you look at it. I know you lefties love to say its natural but what the hell is natural?..I would like you, Swoop, to define "natural" since you are unhappy with the way others define it. Look homosexuality IS not normal like the left would love to believe it is. When homosexuals make up less then 2% of the population its not normal plain and simple...The problem with labeling things "normal" or not is that you end up with all kinds of things being called "abnormal" for no useful reason. Genius intellect is far more rare than homosexuality and therefore isn't normal--so what?would you concur on that one or do we need to change the English language to make homosexuals feel more comfortable about what’s "normal"? ...now the real issue is should homosexuals be accepted? Sure at an adult level but homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to just walk around and act like a normal heterosexual couple in public....I don’t want kids to see that, kids are open to suggestion..You are operating under the fallacy that sexual orientation is learned behavior which is not supported by ANY modern scientific research. Do you really believe that if you had seen gay people living "normal" lives that you would be homosexual? I never met anybody who said yes to that question. If you wouldn't have been made "queer" why do you think others would be? You know that? Otherwise you dems wouldn’t be trying to ban violent movies and violent video games......A kid couldn’t possibly be turned into a homosexual BUT kids can be effected by violent video games? It's disappointing that you feel the need to ignore all of the research that has been done that shows violence to be a learnable behavior trait (look at the training in the military) while sexual orientation has been shown to be a genetically based innate quality--you are born with your sexual orientation because it is laid down in the brain pattern between the 8th and 18th weeks of gestation.

You know what I think? this is a fucking issue blown way out of proportion by the dems an issue to run on a fucking issue all the hippies can say "this is just wrong" because we know that we are all created equal and some how the democrats are going to change man kind and make everyone equal.... the second people are equal is the second we all turn into sheep, in order for people to think equally they would have to ALL think the same? No, but they should have legal access to the same rights. Don't confuse thinking the same with having the same right to participate in society. Yea I think that would have to be a fact, now think about it... wait I think some of us are smarter then that, we know that all that really matters on this "homosexual" issue is that gays can get married...No, it's the legal rights (1049 of them according the GAO) that matter the most, though some homosexual people are Christians and would like to get married. However, there are Christian churches that will marry homosexual people now, but what is missing is the LEGAL part of the equation that allows them to have the same rights as you currently enjoy. Well what about bi-sexual people???? Fuck, ill bet there are more bi-sexual people then gay people! Do they have the right to marry a man and a woman? Mmm tricky? That's a false issue raised to cloud the discussion, but since you brought it up--why not let people have legal civil unions in whatever configuration that they desire? Group marriages have been recognized in many cultures down through history and they are even more stable that couple marriages in many cases....now wouldn’t it just be better if a man married a woman and vice versa? keep it simple? Law isn't just about "keeping it simple" it's about guaranteeing the Constitutional rights of all citizens, equal protection under the law. If you want "simple" then let's put the law back to the way it used to be where only white men who were land owners had full legal rights and everyone else was a 2nd class citizen. Now that doesn’t mean that homosexual and lesbian relationships are less moral or illegal, it means that society is trying to avoid a snowball effect and if you think one wont happen, well your just naive. What snowball effect? In other countries that have full marriage rights for all there has been no snowball effect. There's no snow to make a ball of, when all people have access to legal marriage/civil unions the people who want them will get them, those who don't won't, and life will go on just like before. You are conjuring up a boogeyman that doesn't exist to exclude other people from the rights that you claim for yourself, based on nothing but your fears. Discrimination pure and simple.

I could write a book on this subject..

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Homosexuality is a mental defect anyway you look at it. I know you lefties love to say its natural but what the hell is natural?

Originally Posted by timj219

Penguins, sheep, bison, bonobos, beetles, and many other species exhibit homosexual behavior. Hard to figure how animal behavior can be classified as a "mental defect".

Originally Posted by Danno

Personally, I think gay unions, or whatever you'd like to call it (doesn't matter to me) are deserving of the same legal status of marriage. Seriously, why does anyone care what two consenting adults do in privacy?

Originally Posted by segep soch

Well, swoop, it's been a while. How have you been?



I see your point. We should no longer legitimize the handicapped by giving them special parking rights. After all, it's not "normal" since most people aren't in wheelchairs. Oh yeah, and if any of you out there are left handed, you better start acting normal, you deviants. I don't want my kids thinking it's OK to be left-handed.



Oh, so you're a socialist too? That's OK. There's all kinds here on USPOL.

I also don't want my kids seeing you nasty ass heteros sucking face in public, so let's ban all displays of public affection. You and kinetic would be happy for Big Brother to take care of us all in this way.

FYI, I have no interest in banning violent video games. I love GTA and others like it.

Kids aren't "turned" into homosexuals. They are turned into intolerant little assholes by their parents, though.



Nobody thinks like you, Swoop, though kinetic comes close. I don't think you have anything to worry about. You and I are in NO WAY "equal". I teach my kids that people should be judged on their character, not on superficial surface appearances. That makes us quite different.



I don't know. Bisexual marriage isn't the issue, as another poster put it so eloquently. If you'd like to talk about it, there is a thread called Bisexual Marriage.



Oh? I think that's a new position for you. I thought homosexuality was immoral and a mental abberation. Now it's just a mental abberation, but just as moral as a heterosexual relationship? So I take it that it's now OK for blind people or adults with MRDD to marry? Shouldn't we be more concerned about this? What's next, allowing quadriplegics to marry? It's a slippery slope, my friend.

It's silly to avoid a snowball effect. Everyone who's tried it loves to snowball.



Don't let me stop you. Genius should be shared.

Originally Posted by timj219

Penguins, sheep, bison, bonobos, beetles, and many other species exhibit homosexual behavior. Hard to figure how animal behavior can be classified as a "mental defect". And if animals do it in the wild, doesn't that make it "natural" by definition?

Originally Posted by Danno

Personally, I think gay unions, or whatever you'd like to call it (doesn't matter to me) are deserving of the same legal status of marriage. Seriously, why does anyone care what two consenting adults do in privacy?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

OK and what are you going to do when bi-sexuals want to have a husband and a wife????

Originally Posted by Swoop187

What are you going to do when all the freaky's come out of the closet and want the same rights as homosexuals and lesbians?

Originally Posted by Swoop187

im expecting the liberals to give into there demands and created a complete state of anarchy.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

well for it to be natural ALL species would have to exibit homosexuality so your arguement is void.

"many other species" well that proves my point.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

well for it to be natural ALL species would have to exibit homosexuality so your arguement is void.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

Homosexuality is a mental defect anyway you look at it. I know you lefties love to say its natural but what the hell is natural?.. Look homosexuality IS not normal like the left would love to believe it is. When homosexuals make up less then 2% of the population its not normal plain and simple...would you concur on that one or do we need to change the English language to make homosexuals feel more comfortable about what’s "normal"? ...now the real issue is should homosexuals be accepted? Sure at an adult level but homosexuals shouldn’t be allowed to just walk around and act like a normal heterosexual couple in public....I don’t want kids to see that, kids are open to suggestion.. You know that? Otherwise you dems wouldn’t be trying to ban violent movies and violent video games......A kid couldn’t possibly be turned into a homosexual BUT kids can be effected by violent video games?

You know what I think? this is a fucking issue blown way out of proportion by the dems an issue to run on a fucking issue all the hippies can say "this is just wrong" because we know that we are all created equal and some how the democrats are going to change man kind and make everyone equal.... the second people are equal is the second we all turn into sheep, in order for people to think equally they would have to ALL think the same? Yea I think that would have to be a fact, now think about it... wait I think some of us are smarter then that, we know that all that really matters on this "homosexual" issue is that gays can get married... Well what about bi-sexual people???? Fuck, ill bet there are more bi-sexual people then gay people! Do they have the right to marry a man and a woman? Mmm tricky?...now wouldn’t it just be better if a man married a woman and vice versa? keep it simple? Now that doesn’t mean that homosexual and lesbian relationships are less moral or illegal, it means that society is trying to avoid a snowball effect and if you think one wont happen well your just naive.

I could write a book on this subject..

Originally Posted by Swoop187

well for it to be natural ALL species would have to exibit homosexuality so your arguement is void.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

hahaha....you beat your self on this arguement but do you have any proof? Dogs hump peoples legs too you know? does that mean they are attracted to humans? what exactlly do you mean with your gay animal theroy? animals will bang anything!!!! .....oh and thats a proven fact.

Originally Posted by Swoop187

well for it to be natural ALL species would have to exibit homosexuality so your arguement is void.

"many other species" well that proves my point.

hahaha....you beat your self on this arguement but do you have any proof? Dogs hump peoples legs too you know? does that mean they are attracted to humans? what exactlly do you mean with your gay animal theroy? animals will bang anything!!!! .....oh and thats a proven fact.