Many other species defnately does NOT prove your point. Just because All species havent been observed doing so does not prove that they don't. You know, there aren't too many people out there checking to see whether beetles have homosexual urges.

[quote=Swoop187;838159]OK and what are you going to do when bi-sexuals want to have a husband and a wife????

QUOTE]Let them Altered laws would accomodate them.

Something is unnatural if all species do not participate in it? Is having warm blood unnatural? How about eyesight or a sense of smell? Breathing air?

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-Thomas Jefferson

As every thread upon the topic has amply demonstrated, this line of reasoning is a waste of time. Logic and rationality are useless in the face of ideological conviction.

Your opponent here needs to believe this bullshit because his world-view is predicated upon it. Take away this point, and his whole fucking world collapses around him. No one will stand for that, thus, no matter how logical, rational and reasonable your argument is, it must be rejected. And we have hundreds of thread-pages here at USPO to prove this.

I thought it was impossible for someone to know less about biology than Kinetic, but you have proven me wrong, Swoop. Your statement that "all animals would have to exhibit homosexuality" is total nonsense. There is hardly anything that ALL ANIMALS do. There are animals that change gender, but since not ALL of them do you are maintaining that it's not natural for them to change gender? Okay, what is it? Bad toilet training? Evil lifestyle choices? Hello? You have managed to paint yourself into a corner and saw off the branch you are sitting on at the same time. A perfect example of ambidextrous ignorance, and that's a proven fact.

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Swoop, why don't we just give everybody the same rights all at once and avoid all the hassle? Consenting adults get to have the relationships they want as long as they don't hurt others. Pretty simple and no anarchy involved.

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Only if you put them in the wrong orifice.

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You mean not all animals do that?

The funny thing is these are judges that don't seem to know that 'separate but equal' is a no-no.


So you think it is ok for a family to have to uproot and move to enjoy their rights? That don't jive with me.


Government legalized gay marriage wouldn't force churches to marry gays against their will. Government marriage is a secular institution. No civil union is needed to separate it. That is what the supporters of the gay marraige bans don't understand.


Run for your lives! Freedom is coming!


I call BS. If government marriage for heterosexuals poofed out of existance tomorrow, there would be no big troubles.


The Dems voted for the war and the latest 'torture bill'. They have just as much blood on their hands.


Gay people are not a recent development. They have had their liberties taken away for centuries.


Its called progress. A few decades ago it was called shrewd to declare women or blacks had the right to vote.


How exactly are their civil rights not being trampled upon?


Is lefthandedness a defect or not normal?


I don't want to see a heterosexuals gettin frisky in public. Since when do we have the freedom to not be offended?


I agree that the dems are hypocritical in that aspect.


Wow, just wow. Never thought I would see someone come right out and declare their superiority over others like that.


Wouldn't it be better if we just did away with all your rights and told you how to live? Keep it simple you know.


So birds don't naturally have the ability to fly because all animals cant? I'm confused.


What other freaky's are there?
Beastiality won't work as animals can't enter into a contract.
Pedophiles won't work as it is still illegal.
Incestuous relationships I really don't see the legal standard to deny it.
Polygamous relationships technically should be allowed but the various legal contracts designed for one spouse would make it tricky. This further shows why 'marraige' should be taken out of government all together.

One-woman one-man couples have no equal.

F+M>M+M or F+FEveryone already has the exact same rights. I have no more rights than you and visa versa.The Government doesn't have any scientific, biological, historical or mathematical reason to promote homosexual conduct with a license.Newbreak. Freedom is already here. United States citizens are free.I suspected that you cared less about marriage and American culture.Who would you prefer to run the US?

Homosexuals have a psychological affliction that makes them phobic of intimacy with the opposite sex. Disorders like these are not new.What liberties have been lost?Dr. Martin Luther King, a Republican, claimed that we should judge not by color but by the content of character. Are you claiming that African American issues and women's issues are the same as homosexuals?Those who practice homosexual conduct have no less rights than anyone. That's how.Who claimed that? Those who are Left handed have the exact same opportunity to acquire a one-woman one-man marriage license the same as anyone.One-woman one-man couples have no equal.Everyone has the right to live their life in a manner of their own choosing.Yes. You are confused.What if four men would like to have a marriage license? On what grounds do you deny them?Further, animal behavior cannot be used as an example for human conduct either.Isn't that age discrimination?So then, you would be OK if a mother married her son?Are tricky legal matters a reason to deny them a marriage license? If eight women wanted to get married, how would you deny them?Exactly as I guessed. You oppose marriage and would like to see it abandoned.

Thanks for helping us understand why your views are diametrically opposite to the biological design of the human species reproductive system.

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You mean exactly as your preconceived notions led you to believe.

You are very good at putting words into other people's mouths to twist their meanings to fit your prejudice. It's so much easier than trying to think, isn't it?

Oh my, aren't we elitist. What makes you think you are so much better than everyone else?


I'm not speaking of this particular situation. I am talking about your idea of where states up their own rights.


Yes they do. Because people want it and there is no good legal reason not to allow it. Also, waht makes heterosexual marraige worth licensing?


Not free to choose who they want to marry.


The people make up the culture, not government mandates.


Hmm, not going to mention the whole 'attracted to the same sex' thing? By the way, all organizations have dropped homosexuality from their mental illness lists.


Pretty much every liberty as they were forced to live a closeted 'lie' life. If they were found out in public, lots were killed.


Of course.


They cannot marry others like them.


What I meant was that what is considered a defect or normal is subjective. Someone might think that lefthanded people were defective and not normal so they should have their rights limited.


Again, go go Mr. Ego.


Not if you are in charge. You think you somehow have the right to choose 'who would be better' married to whom.


First thought would be the purpose of the contract to begin with. Sharing of property, inheritance, visitation, medical decision maker....kind of hard to put that to more than one other person. If the officials could work it out however, I'm all for it.


You brought up the whole 'natural' argument.


Age is considered for any government contract. If you want to debate age of being considered an adult, thats a WHOLE other thread.


Perfectly fine.


How would it be abandoned? Churches would still have control of it. Just the government contract would go away.

Yes, I am no big fan of either form of marriage, yet you still see me fighting to get one group their marriage rights. Kinda opposite of trying to get it done away with don't you think? Even if I don't want to get married, to each their own to do as they see fit. You might want to try it some time.


Hmm, I don't see how our reproductive system has anything to do with a government contract or any form of marraige. Looks to me they are just for sex and making babies. Nature doesn't care about marraige or monogamy. Look at lots of species who run around with one male to tens of females.