How is it in conflict? Can homosexuals not have gay sex with thier biological design? They can't have the biological process of reproduction, but we already said that children are not required in marriage.


You don't seem to understand how government works. The government doesn't need a reason to ALLOW something, they need a reason to NOT ALLOW something. Otherwise, it is legal. Thats freedom.


I'm calling a big BS on the 90% statistic. Seeing the overwhelming number of divorces and remarriages, there is no way they all produce children. I looked up the number of children born out of wedlock. I found the figure 33%. Thats only a 2 to 1 margin, hardly overwhelming.


Nonsense. Allowing more gay marriage tax breaks would be no different than allowing more hetero marriage tax breaks to continue.


NO logical reason has been given for the bans.


Granted, they do, but this is also unconstitutional.


It isn't a behavior, its a state of being.


No conscious decision is made.


Because they have children? We just broke 300 million people. Having lots of children is anywhere near the top of our 'value' list.


You say it is not your decision how to live my life, then you turn around and control people by banning their marraiges. This is a fact.


No they aren't 100%. Freedom > than personal opinions via Constitution.


They have no obligation to license marriage at all. When they do however, they must not discriminate by law.

Let it go man, Kinetic is crazy.

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The biological design of the human species reproductive system supports only one-woman one-man couples. There isn't any support from science, math, biology or history for marriages for non one-woman one-man couples.I understand how the government works fine. It licenses marriages only for one-woman one-man couples because the government may gain something in return, namely future tax payers.

Further, the government gains zero, nothing, zip nada from homosexual conduct.I am not advocating illegitimate children but advocation and promoting the opposite especially with biological mothers and fathers. If I were advocating higher numbers of children born out of wedlock, I would recommend the failed experiment like Socialist European nation have done, where there are more children are born OUTSIDE of wedlock than in, where reproduction has fallen and populations are not reproducing themselves, and divorce has sky-rocketed because homosexuals are twice as likely to divorce among other kinds of terrible statistics.Perhaps an impact study could show how high the Gay Tax would need to be raised.Of course there have been, math, history, science, morality, biology and the will of the people.Of course it is Constitutional. If it weren't you would have pointed out exactly where the Constitution was violated.There is no such thing. All behavior is a choice.Unconscious behavior is like sleepwalking or worse and cannot be licensed.Most of that is due to illegal alien problems. However, my claim that one-woman one-man couples have a uniquely higher 'value' provable by a mathematical formula is and can be validated. Congress already has the formula.Your 'behavior' is your own choice, not mine. If you speed down the highway and get a ticket, it's not my doing.

Your conduct affects the outcome of your life and is not controlled by myself or anyone. Whether you sleep with five people or alone is not my doing but, when it comes time to vote, I will be voting in favor of one-woman one-man marriages exclusively because it is supported by sound scientific explanations, values like mathematical formulas, biologically like the design of the reproductive system, and historically as it has been for 200 years traditionally. One-woman one-man marriage makes total sense.It is immoral to show breasts on live TV at the Superbowl. Morality doesn't have to be ignored by Congress because you object to it. You are factually incorrect.Of course they must otherwise everything would be willy-nilly, helter-skelter. Further, it isn't discrimination because anyone can acquire a one-woman one-man marriage license regardless of color, sex, religion, ethnicity, age, or creed. Marriage laws are Constitutional.

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Take heart people, Kinetic is coming back in his next lifetime as a flaming homosexual, but the sad thing is that he will probably benefit from the very laws he's trying to fight against right now. Of course he may come back in Iran and find out first hand what pleasant people religious bigots can be. Poor bugger, he's so scared he's 3 sheets to the wind.

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First off, I wouldn't be so quick to wish a psychological disorder on my enemies and secondly, we only get one chance at this life before we are judged.

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Oh so this is the wrong time to bring up waterboarding, isn't it?

I didn't say prisioner. I said 'wish for my enemy'.

Seriously, I don't want harm to come to anyone. But, waterboarding? That's not even considered Torture by many, is it? Anyway, I wouldn't wish for al Qaeda to be force into homosexual acts or Ahmadinjihad either and they are the enemy. That would be Torture.

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Having to live a lie and being forced to live as a heterosexual is also Torture.

You are the only one claiming it's a psychological disorder, Kinetic. The rest of us know that it's just another variation in the human condition which harms no one and would be no different than any other harmless variation if it weren't for the religious bigots raining abuse on them. Keep raining, kid, your turn is coming...

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Waterboarding isn't torture? You surpass your own high levels of stupidity every once in a while. Fairly regularly actually. You are not my enemy, Kinetic, I don't hate you, I feel sorry for you because you are laying up a great store of retribution for yourself...the wheel of Karma turns.

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Nobody has forced you to do anything.

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A mental affliction is the only explanation for the inconsistency between choosing a homosexual path and the biological design of the human species.But biology, history, science and math are not religious. It's not abuse or bigotry being honest about biology.

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Bigotry is a mix of FEAR and IGNORANCE, somethings that you obviously have in abundance. Like many religious folks you have "invincible ignorance" which can be characterized by the statement that you make quite often, "I don't know and I'm not going to find out!"

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The fear you are discussing could be the homosexual's phobia or inability to have a relationship with the opposite sex.QUOTE=MareTranquility;853856]Like many religious folks you have "invincible ignorance" which can be characterized by the statement that you make quite often, "I don't know and I'm not going to find out!"[/quote]What have I missed? Name-calling is not making your point or convincing me of anything.

Just because I have another opinion regarding the importance of exclusive one-woman one-man marriages than you doen't mean I am fearful or ignorant.

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You are very afraid of many things and that fairly shouts out from the posts you make. If you weren't afraid you wouldn't have to be raining abuse on people you don't know for things you don't know about, while trying to support your diatribes with pseudo-scientific "wizdumb" instead of learning about the things you fear. You are like a person running so fast to get away from the boogey man that you don't have time to look over your shoulder and see that there isn't any boogey man chasing you. Look at the stuff you write about: fear of not enough tax payers, fear of homosexual people, fear of transsexual people (when you don't know anything about transsexual people), fear of socialism, communism, fascism, and probably ismism too. I don't know of a single good thing to come out of fundamental religion--anybody's fundamental religion. It's all based on fear and ignorance which leads to violence. Bear in mind that gay people are not ganging up on heteros or Christians and beating or killing them, gays are not starting wars, instituting torture, or trying to take away your Constitutional rights.

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