Originally Posted by kinetic

I have explained my one and only fear numerously. Because you are so out of touch with your own overwhelming fear that you can no longer identify it accurately doesn't keep you from subconsciously writing in such a way as to make that fear palpable to the people who read your terrified diatribes.

You have misinterpreted me. This isn't about fear but protective of one-woman one-man traditional marriage where the bulk of future taxpayers come from. I love it when you talk dirty socialism.

There are no benefits from homosexual conduct and nothing to reward let alone with a license.

Originally Posted by kinetic

I wouldn't repeat science, history, math, and biology support only one-woman one-man couples and no other combination of individuals for marriage licenses if it weren't so.

Originally Posted by kinetic

There isn't anything frightening about the fact that science, history, math, and biology support only one-woman one-man couples and no other combination of individuals for marriage licenses.

Originally Posted by kinetic

I have explained my one and only fear numerously.

You have misinterpreted me. This isn't about fear but protective of one-woman one-man traditional marriage where the bulk of future taxpayers come from.

There are no benefits from homosexual conduct and nothing to reward let alone with a license.

Originally Posted by doniston

thus you are correct that there is no Basic FINANCIAL value to be derived from homosexual unions under present laws.

Originally Posted by doniston

however if the laws were changed to allow the same benefits (and thus RESPONSIBILITIES)

Originally Posted by doniston

To homosexual unions as to hetrosexual unions there would be similar benefits (except procreation-which is just "One" factor of the matter)

Originally Posted by kinetic

Regardless of the law, homosexual conduct provides no value culturally to society.But, homosexual behavior doesn't benefit anyone therefore it is a societal loss.Homosexual conduct benefits no one. What those who engage in homosexual behavior would like is a reward for their behavior and thus benefit from that reward.

I understand how there is confusion about this issue and you seem unable to grasp what is a benefit to the Government and the nation as a whole. Homosexual conduct doesn't provide any moral benefit, any benefit to the humans species, any government benefit or any benefit to American society.

Originally Posted by kinetic

Regardless of the law, homosexual conduct provides no value culturally to society.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

You should get a copy the Gay Book of Days and read about the contribution of gay people to human culture.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

I'm sure that you don't know that this same silly argument of having no value to society was used against black people too by bigots just like yourself.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

No, of course you won't read the book, you have invincible ignorance and you are proud of it

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

that's another thing that makes you a bigot.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

So next time you want to whine about being referred to as a "bigot" just remember this post and I'm sure you'll feel much better.

Originally Posted by kinetic

If there was something significant to offer, you would have spelled it out instead of asking me to study a book. People with fairly low educational levels, people who aren't very smart, and people who are lazy always want things in tidy little, pithy, soundbites so that they don't have to do any work or research. The book I recommended was put out in the form of a "BOOK" because of the huge amount of information in it, I'm truly sorry for you that I cannot synopsize it for you. The book talks about gay people and their contribution to society because most people don't have any idea of the number of gay people or the creativity of the gay community. It's an excellent work and very interesting reading.


Name-calling doesn't convince me of anything. I am not a bigot because I recognize that homosexual conduct doesn't have a value for American culture or society.Repeating over and over that I am ignorant or a bigot make you appear to have bashing as your only argument. If homosexual behavior was a benifit to the human species, you would have been better served to spell out how it is instead of name-calling as your only debate technique.Repeating this over again ad nauseum is unconvincing.Your posts all sound alike. You don't explain yourself very well and ignore the arguments. Name-calling, inaccurate assessments, character assassinations and personal attacks are more of a reflection on you than who you direct your vitriolic espisodes at. I like it, Kin, you are accusing me of repetitive posts when all I do is respond to your repetitive arguments with accurate observations about them and you. When black people finally got legal protection and were allowed to become full citizens it became generally recognized that people who use the kind of arguments (baseless) denigrating them that you use are "bigots". You having adopted the style and substance of the famous bigots (like the KKK) by definition makes you a bigot. Don't like it? Stop spewing the same bigoted crap that your predecessors used.

"If homosexual behavior was a benifit to the human species, you would have been better served to spell out how it is..." It doesn't matter what I post or what sources I give, you deny them without examination--hence the my assessment of your "invincible ignorance". Don't like it? Check the sources I give you, find out what the real world knows, learn something beyond your narrow confines.

If homosexual practices had a value to American culture, our society or provided a benefit to the government, you would have told why and how instead of name-calling and worse. Homosexuality isn't a valued asset but inconsistant with and in conflict with the biological design of the human species reproductive system. Homosexuality is little more than mismating of indivuduals due to a psychological phobia of and adversion to the practice of engaging in intimate relationships with the opposite sex.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

If you were as deeply wedded to science as you claim to be you would realize that the "no value" argument is proven false by the fact that despite thousands of years of genocidal hate and violence, coupled with the fact that many homosexual people do not have children or pass their genes along to others, homosexuality HAS NOT DISAPPEARED OR DIMINISHED IN FREQUENCY.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

If it was a useless trait that isn't passed on by those affected by it, then it must have survival value that you don't recognize.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

You want to destroy a tiny minority of the human race because of your religious hate, a hate that prevents you from rational thought.

Originally Posted by MareTranquility

Homosexual people are incredibly creative folks and if you were honest or educated or even a trifle thoughtful you would find out about the people you hate before you mindlessly try to stuff them into the ovens. (Metaphorical ovens at this point, but...real ovens in the past.)