Listen, all the points of these being irregular, or not being contrails have been addressed.

How they might look like jets flying in formation, has been addressed with basic trig, that they linger, that they spread out, that some might not linger, has been addressed with the simple variability in atmospheric conditions. Your 'non-conspiracy' issues have been addressed with the simple fact that such experiments are easier to do in a lab, and would have been revealed to the public. The problems with a massive global conspiracy among every person in the aviation industry, have been addressed, that the people spraying this mind control chemical would be getting it sprayed on themselves too, has been pointed out.


and beware, there are also chem "balls"


http://www.defenselink.mil/photos/Ju...3488C-051.html

You don't respond to my posts because they are the unpleasent fact that someone may actually take an opposing position (yeegads I know) to your own.

Ok, I apologize for being a presumptuous prick. It is easy to fall into a state of denial over something that appears so utterly ridiculous. I never meant to make it personal and , again, I apologize.

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I simply don't beleive that picture is real, regardless of from whence it comes.

It's very much real. It's also not the only picture of this occuring. There's even video of it happening.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP5N-IlU9pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD51TxrhcDY

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That's the shock wave as the aircraft goes transonic. There are quite a few similar photos out there.

Here's a neat video version: http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~mech591/trans_shock.html

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And a few questionable ones too, its kinda easy to photoshop.

http://mattdaniels.typepad.com/photo...er_png_jpg.jpg
http://www.grunt.com/images-bs/Cobra...%20barrier.jpg
http://www.worth1000.com/entries/66500/66863nSur_w.jpg

OK, I have watched each of the videos several times, and my disbelief was fostered by a difference between the still photo AND EVERY ONE IF THE VIDEOS, and the other Still photo. Check them out, there is a distinct difference.

Edited: the other three you listed are questionable for several reasons. --- Out of am Chopper?????

The other three were listed by Thematic-Device, and looked to be photoshopped fakes.

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Well they pretty much have to be fakes, none of those planes are capable of travelling at the speed of sound or beyond it. It fact if I remember correctly no prop plane can make it to mach 1, something to do with the end of the propellor blades having to over come the sound barrier before the rest of the plane. And the other one is a square...

I haven't made any wild claims, I haven't postulated a conspiracy, nor have I become hysterical. I thought this would be an interesting subject to discuss since I have seen some things that I couldn't explain and didn't seem to fit well into any of the explanations I've heard. I don't know Conform, I've never read any of his posts before this thread, but I have been amazed at the things being posted here, the things I've been accused of (Thematic Device aside since he has a grudge against me and argues with everything I post). It's like a lot of people believe that their personal share of Heaven will be reduced if some of us talk about chemtrails here.

I am not forgetting that chemtrails are a global phenomenon, I don't live in the rest of the world and I'm not familiar with the particulars of chemtrails elsewhere beyond the fact that they have been reported.

Through the FOA a report was obtained from the CIA in which the subject of alien abductions was discussed. The report noted that these supposed "abductions" have been reported all over the world, and the "victims" come from all demographics: all races, all ages, all economic strata, all educational levels, all occupations, all religions, no pattern was discernible. The conclusion of the report was interesting in that they admitted that they had no idea what was actually happening--if anything--to any of these people, but even if this was just a new form of mental illness it was worth studying to learn what they could. That's sort of how I feel about most things, I'll study them and make up my own mind rather than dismiss them out of hand because they aren't popular or conflict with my current paradigm.

Let's remember that a LOT of people post about Christianity on this site and very few of them get any crap about it, when in fact there is probably more evidence to support the existence of chemtrails than the existence of Jesus. At least we have living eye-witnesses of chemtrails.

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Interesting, thank you.

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If this question is aimed at me, then no, that isn't what I am interested in. You could read my posts and find out that I'm interested in getting more information than I currently have--preferably without the gratuitous abuse, thank you very much.

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Thank you, if you have information that I do not have please feel free to contribute.

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Ahh but thats where your wrong, Chemtrails can be proven false, the divinity or lack there of, of jesus is a question of faith and cannot be proven either way.

Look is there something which hasn't been adequately addressed? Or a failing in these explanations. Although a point that should probably be cleared up, when you speak about multi-engine planes flying in formation, did you actually see them doing this, or merely what looks like evidence of them doing so (contrails)? Further if you saw the jets, were they military jets?

It seems that there have been other samples that have been examined in labs.
http://www.educate-yourself.org/ct/ctarticle12.shtml This one was interesting in that they talk about EDB being found in the samples.

"Thomas has also reported that spraying samples have been analyzed and have revealed that many deadly and toxic pathogens have been found including Mycoplasma Fermetens Incognitus (the SAME bioengineered pathogen that Dr Garth Nicholson had discovered in about 45% of the veterans who came down with Gulf War Illness). Thomas found that Mycoplasma, however, was only ONE pathogen among a group of highly toxic biohazard substances analyzed from the chemtrail residues."
http://www.educate-yourself.org/ct/#intro
This link mentions a connection between the things found in the chemtrails samples and the stuff implicated in Gulf War Syndrome, something that the government denied the existence of initially and then finally admitted.

Another bit of useful information is about "chaff" a product used by the military for masking things from radar. One of the things that chemtrail people are reporting are fibers in clumps or spread out all over coming down from the chemtrails. Here's a GAO article that talks about the use of "chaff" all over the continental US and it's disseminated from military aircraft.
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/foru...07155e421a40fe

There may be more to this than you gentlemen have been letting on.

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