In yet another stunning defeat for the Homosexual Lobby, all 8 states which had a same-sex marriage issue on their ballot appear headed to a solid victory in the effort to prevent the Homosexual Lobby from redefining marriage and imposing its will upon the majority.

"The marriage amendments are all passing and they may have made the difference in close races," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

This will raise the number of states which have rebuffed the Homosexual Lobby's attempt to redefine marriage to 45, or 90% of the states.

While I support equal rights, I have some concerns about the legal recognition of gay unions. I personally think it's too big of a change right now, and I don't want the defnition of the family to continue to be changed up. It's a losing issue right now, although I think the eventual application of the 14th to gays will happen.

Homosexuals already have equal rights. And not only do the voters oppose the Homosexual Lobby's attempt to redefine marriage, the voters even oppose allowing "civil unions" for same-sex couples.

Colorado 726,103 No civil unions 53% of the voters
Colorado 638,034 Yes civil unions 47% of the voters

At this point, it's only right that I should point out that Colorado already has an existing state law on the books which already bans same-sex marriage. That said, this vote obviously changes the political landscape nationwide. Until now, the far left has always argued that even though the majority of Americans oppose same-sex marriage, most people support civil unions for homosexual couples. Now we have something completely different, a real popular majority which even opposes civil unions for homosexuals.

BTW, the 14th Amendment bears no relationship to homosexual behavior, so there's no reason to imagine that it will "eventually be applied" to homosexuals.

here in TN it actually passed wiht 80% of the vote which really surprised me

i myself am for Civil Unions

Well, the judiciary will, with changes in public opinion, prolly apply the 14th to gays. The thing is, this really seems to be a loser issue.

Arizona voted down the gay marriage ban. It is the first state proposing a ban that has turned it down.East Valley Tribune

In addition, the margins by which these proposals pass are far smaller than they were previously.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

A good reversal, regarding Arizona and the smaller margins even where it passed.

I believe this was more a response - and punishment (if foolish) for judicial activism than any great anti-homosexual sentiment.

What I would like to know is why conservatives seem so hellbent that government should define what marriage is. That seems to be one of the most private matters one could engage in, yet even on this front lies the government, nosing into peoples' business. With, of course, not a word of opposition from the "small government" (sneer) conservatives.

One also might wonder why conservatives have such an investment in preventing homosexual unions (marriage) from passing. It might cause one to conclude that they think that the government's proper place is that of a social engineer, encouraging a particular type of religiousness.

I don't think you'd get any argument from social conservatives. They aren't exactly trying to hide what they're about.

The only point they seem to miss is that the government does not always represent their particular ideology. They would need a king for that.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

All tyrants, of any stripe, work for full tyranny, even if they do not consciously wish it whilst they do their dirty deeds. With quasi-philosophical books like Not a Suicide Pact out, conservative intellectuals are attempting to pave the way for a Lincoln-esque de facto dictatorship in the US.

I honestly do not think that most Republicans are consciously working to undermine (all) freedom in the country and pave the way for some evil mastermind to take over. They go forward, blithly ignoring what principles they are acting on and assuring us all that "common sense" will hold the powers of government back from expanding "too much." But the funny thing about common sense is that it bends, and breaks, in the face of such acts over a period of time.

Joke coming:

So...how long do you think you'll be living in Texas with an attitude like that?

That's it. That's all I got.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

So you were expecting it to pass?

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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A point I've made many times myself. Well said.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

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Fearless Leader,
You seem awfully familiar, have you changed your posting name?

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

Forever. Texas is the best state there is, and I am invested in changing the bad parts of it for the better.

Yeah, I lost the password and my email account associated with my other name. But shh.

I've been all over Texas and honest to God, it is just one of those states I couldn't love. I don't know why.
Amarillo, they can't drive on the rare occassions it snows. El Paso - shit hole (sorry), Houston, where people are real, it's stink and dirty, where everything's green and lovely, people are pretentious and self absorbed.
Dallas/Ft Worth... rhinestones say it all.

Sort of...lacking reality somehow.

No offense of course, just my personal feelings.

oops. Sorry.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn