Hey, if Joe Shmo won't do the work, just hire someone else. And publish Joe Shmo's name in the gay press so they don't get called by any other gays. The lawn dude has the right to not work for anyone he doesn't want to work for. As long as he realizes it'll lose him $ and he's willing to sacrifice that.

I guess the landspapers agree with me.

From the OP link.


That's not the response of the gay people that were discriminated against, it was the response from some anonymous website posters on the gardening message board.

It's like comparing the freaks on this board who call for the US to nuke Iran as if it's a response from the USA.

I agree, the gay community has no right to threaten people, besides which it's counter-productive. Publishing the name of the company that discriminates and the reason for the discrimination is valid. I would not use a company that refused service to homosexual people just like I would not use a company that refused service to black people.

I think that sending polite letters or emails of protest to the company is acceptable though--they work for the public so the public should have the right to express their opinion (politely) to them. You never know, this may be simply a canny capitalist exploiting a niche market by pandering to the religious crazies because they have lots of money.

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Im pretty sure you're wrong. I can refuse to do work for you for any reason I damn well please - INCLUDING your race, sex and prefered sexual activity. There isnt a damn thing you can do about it from a legal perspective.
And forcing someone to work for another is slavery. Which is worse?

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What would have happened if they were black instead of gay?

Would that be OK?

Yes - would have been legal too.

Do you really want people forced to work for others under threat of death? That is the world you are advocating by suggesting people should be obligated to do work for others.

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Where do you get these wild ideas? You are making shit up now. Tell us what you advocate and I will tell you what I advocate. When you pretend to tell us what I advocate you just look foolish.

I have no problem with a service business such as a Landscaping company to refuse to do business with homos, but a restaurant or other business where the public enters a retail or service location should not be allowed to discriminate.

As Sam pointed out, the angry comments were on a message board (similar to this one) and anyone, any age, gay or straight could have posted them. They were a bit much, IMO. Not helpful. It makes the Farbers into martyrs in the eyes of some.

This says it all:

And this is all the response that was necessary:

This comes from people who talk so often of tolerance remember ? If you aren't into welcoming homosexuality though you'll certainly learn about THEIR "tolerance".

They have two standards of tolerance you see ?

Listen to YOU.

YOU'RE going to accuse someone ELSE of "wild ideas" and "making shit up". Then go on to tell someone they look foolish LOL

Beam me up Zorf

Whatever Thane, no one takes you seriously

Back to the topic (it's not me remember?)
Since when was Christ a crusader against gays?

Never.

This is the problem with extremist conservative right wing evangelical gay bashing Christians. They use Christ for their hate agenda and twist his peace and love message into twisted hate and bigotry.

Great point. And I did not suggest that hate mail and death threats were the response of the would-be-clients that were denied service. Those who read the article can see, all they did was forward it to some other people (some 200 of them) to spread the word that this company was refusing service to gays. It then got spread around much further. It was responses from people other than the original clients that filled their inboxes and forums with hate speech and threats.

I do think, however, that this breaks a stereotype that gays and non anti-gay people are by that definition more tolerant and perhaps more loving or better people. It's pretty safe to say that the hate speech came from these people.

That depends on what you mean by OK. If by OK you mean legal, then absolutely. If you mean enlightened, I'd say not.

And allow me to make a point that being black is a trait one is born with so it's IMO not fair to discriminate against. Homosexuality, on the other hand, is a chosen behavior. And you can tell me you disagree with that statement if you want, that's fine...I believe that's a topic for another thread. But one thing's pretty apparent, and that's that this company refused service because they had a reasonable belief that homosexuality is a sinful, chosen behavior.

Christ did teach to obey God's precepts in his Word. And homosexuality is condemned by scripture. Again, disagree if you like, but I believe this is what the business owners meant when they said they'd accidentally become "crusaders for Christ."

The problem with extremist left wing Christian-bashing liberals is they project their own hate onto those who stand up for their belief in Christ, like these people did in the story to the landscapers.

I don't think it's safe to say that. People fake it all the time on message boards. Maybe some homophobe said it to make the gays look bad. Who knows!?

New information is coming out all the time. I just heard of a recent study on the gay gene that says it comes from the mother's side of the family, like the bald gene comes from the father's side and skips a generation. People are born gay. They don't choose to be gay.
Christ taught love and tolerance. He didn't teach that homosexuality was wrong. The new testament is Christ's teachings. If the old testament said something about homosexuality, it's voided by the new testament. If you don't believe in the new testament, and only the old, you are Jewish, not Christian.

Those gay bashers and bigots are not Crusaders for Christ. They are misguided homophobes.

I'm not projecting hate, I'm pointing out that the gardener bigots are using Christ's name for prejudice and intolerance and Jesus would not be amused.

I find it interesting that you attribute "hate" to others who have never harmed you, never passed laws to disenfranchise you, never discriminated against you, and who have never condemned you to death based on their religious beliefs--yet Christians have done all of these things. How is it that we are the "haters"? Do roving bands of gays seek out Christians and pistol whip them, tie them to fences, and leave them to die?

My problem is not with Christians who stand up for their beliefs, in fact any Christian who actually practices the teachings of Jesus has my respect. What I despise about Christians is that they use their majority to pass laws to hurt people they don't like, people who don't agree with them, or don't measure up to their "Christian" standards. If you folks stop ramming your religion down my throat I'll be more than happy to coexist with you in peace.

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So Sam, Romans 1 isn't in the New Testament?

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