By Jim Brown
December 6, 2006
WASHINGTON, DC (AgapePress) - Pro-life groups and members of the House are pressing for passage of a bill to require women considering an abortion to be informed of the pain their baby would feel during the procedure.
Today the U.S. House will vote on the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act (H.R. 6099), which is sponsored by New Jersey Representative Chris Smith. If passed, the measure require that women considering an abortion 20 weeks or more after fertilization be informed of the pain their child would feel during the lethal procedure so they may request anesthesia in order to reduce or eliminate the child's pain.

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My commentary: Makes one wonder if the pro-death crowed will wish to suppress this legislation because women can’t make decisions without these people telling them what there to believe, or if they’ll allow them to have all information and make there own decisions based on not only what the provider wants then to know?

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According to a JAMA study, the ability for a fetus to experience pain probably doesn't exist before 29 or 30 weeks. 20 weeks is a little soon, but since it's not a certainty, I'd have no problem with informing women after 20 weeks.

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IMO, abortion is just wrong....period. Especially if the fetus can feel pain.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

You know, if "pro-life" suggests that every single pregnancy be carried to full term, then "pro-death" and "pro-abortion" would suggest that every single pregnancy be terminated.

I support a woman's right to choose. I don't like abortion. When I was in the military, I saw pregnancy and abortion used as a means for some women to avoid deployment. They'd be pregnant long enough for their orders to be changed (can't be deployed on a ship if you're pregnant), and then they'd have an abortion.

Not only did the paperwork end of it piss me off, but I just thought it was wrong to be so cavalier about abortion.

But, that notwithstanding, I do not believe that the right to choose should be taken away. That, in no way, makes me "pro-death" or "pro-abortion"...

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I was once against abortion because it killed the unborn. I have recently realized that the majority of people that use abortion are leftist aka progressives. Allowing leftist aka progressives to kill their unborn is one way to thin them out.

Pro-choice (supporting so called abortion 'rights') = pro-Abortion (Abortion is the act of 'terminating' an unwanted human being.)

Thus, the term 'pro-choice' by definition is equivalent to 'pro-death'.

You are arguing the question of murder with people that want to commit murder. Kind of like arguing with a rock. It does no good.

DHard3006

Good point.

I think you misworded that a bit - A more correct statement would be:

You are arguing the question of murder with people that realize you cannot murder a rock. It does no good.

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The idea of telling the mother about the effects is a good one. I don't really understand how anyone would not want her to know what will be happening?

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As an earlier poster pointed out, telling the mother too early in the pregnancy is essentially lying, presumeably with the intent of stopping the abortion. Telling her and/or using the anesthetic in an appropriate time frame is a judgement call, not something that should be legislated.

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That would be true, except that a fetus is a human life and not a rock. Consider, does a rock grow and develop the way a fetus does?

I assume you are referring to this post:

Notice he said that it's not a certainty.

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Those who argue for complete secularism are funny. They see what government does and then argue that we don't need it to start with prayer.

cows feel pain before they are turned into hamburgers. the only exception here is the fetus will not be eaten. at least I hope not.

Bullshit.

Someone who is "pro-choice" simply wants the woman to have the right to decide for herself.

If she elects to carry her pregnancy to term, then pro-choice folks are glad. If she elects to terminate, the pro-choice folks might not like it, but they're glad the right to decide wasn't taken away from her.

I know you right-wing freaks hate logic, but "pro-choice" means supporting the right to make a choice, not the choice itself...

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DHard3006, post #7 would be better worded as such:

You are arguing the question of murder with people that want the right to choose to commit murder.

Kind of like arguing with a rock. It does no good.

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