I can, but this isn't the issue being debated - if you wish, start a new thread and I'll carry on there.


Eh?? What do you mean, it would not enable one to become a tyrant? Then how do you explain everyone being allowed to shove their views and opinions down each other throats? [/quote]

Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about - could you please reword? Thanks.

Only after marriage and not a day before.

I'm not trying to shove my beliefs down anyone's throat and I can only speak for myself but in my 21 years of experience (still so young I know) in life I've found that the bible has some good advice. It says to avoid certain things and so far I've found good reasons to do just that. Some of those things to be avoided are excessive drinking, gambling, and stealing. Another one of those things happens to be fornication/immoral women. Maybe I miss out on some fun but I've also missed out on a baby's momma, being a single parent, paying child support, and STDs. Not to mention the emotional problems and extremely awkward moments that go along with that sort of thing.

Now I've met this absolutely amazing woman and not only am I reserved 100% for her but I also have no baggage from previous girls. Not only that but how could I expect her to be my virgin bride if I wasn't dedicated as well? Again I'm not trying to make anyone convert or anything like that. I'm just saying what has worked/works for me.

Yea I'm not much of mobster, at least in the criminal sense. But what do you call the people who make up an angry mob?

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"Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs." -Murphy's Law

Well, I haven't dealt with any of the above and I've been fornicating for quite a while now.

But to each his own!

Just curious though: since the Bible says to avoid fornication, does it specify what to do after marriage? And have you never watched porn?

I agree, it's unfair to expect her to be a virgin while your not. Hope it works out great for you guys!

So, did you ever make up part of an angry mob? *btw, they are called part of the mob, not mobsters*

By including that in your reply, you can't be anything else but a "Christian"!

Are you?

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In Oz it would be quite acceptable for a 20yo to be offered alcohol. The drinking age here is 18yo.

Rules are what a particular society decides they are.

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Well, well, how perceptive of me!

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If you mean to include all things, yes it has some advice as far as marriage. I'm not sure about any advice on sex, although the Song of Solomon has been suggested to be about a newly wed couple if you know what I mean. And I have seen porn before, sad to say. Can't dodge all the bullets I suppose.

Nope never been part of an angry mob. Play on words are fun though.

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"The great issues of the day are decided not by fine speeches and majority votes but by blood and iron." -Otto von Bismarck

"Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs." -Murphy's Law

Yes. What are you trying to insinuate? That Christians hate racially mixed couples? Not sure if that's true or not but I'd lean more towards no. It is a personal belief of mine, nothing to do with my religion. I haven't found anything in the bible condemning it so I can't make it part of my religious beliefs. That doesn't mean I can't have a personal opinion though.

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"The great issues of the day are decided not by fine speeches and majority votes but by blood and iron." -Otto von Bismarck

"Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs." -Murphy's Law

Actually, I don't - what does the song of Solomon say? Please enlighten me.

And what about other forms of sex other than plain ole vanilla intercourse? Acceptable or not?


So, you want to see porn but don't want to get laid?

There is some debate on what forms of sex are acceptable especially since the bible uses a lot of metaphor and poetic wording. The Song of Solmon for example uses sentences like, "I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste." Sounds like it could be a reference to oral sex. The words on sex aren't just limited to that book either. Proverbs says, "Let your fountain be blessed, And rejoice in the wife of your youth. As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times; Be exhilarated always with her love." That doesn't sound like some kind of old, boring sex to me. There is a pretty well accepted belief that anal sex is not acceptable, mostly due to how unclean it is. I wouldn't say with absolute certainty what is and is not acceptable unless it is specificly written. But I remember that the bible does say that the married bed is sacred, that could be understood to mean that anything done in the bedroom between a married couple is acceptable, other than previously mentioned acts that are forbidden obviously.

Now I didn't say I wanted to see porn I just said I've seen it before. I'm kind of... disappointed (maybe that's the word?) that I did but whatever.

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"The great issues of the day are decided not by fine speeches and majority votes but by blood and iron." -Otto von Bismarck

"Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs." -Murphy's Law

I don't think racism is confined to one religion. However, it does seem to me that Christians always seem to be the ones who very rarely follow the precepts laid down in a book they hold sacred.

For example, it does say, Love they neighbour! It doesn't add, that is, unless your neighbour has a different coloured skin from you!

I've also heard the worst excesses carried out agains coloured people, and the best recruiting ground for the KKK, was in the so-called Bible Belt!

So YOUR personal opinions have more validity than the word of God?

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Well, one of my favourite jokes amongst close friends years ago was...yes, I do know so-and-so, but not in the Biblical sense!

On the other hand, that business between Lot and his daughters doesn't leave much to metaphor, or even the imagination!

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I like the color green the best that doesn't mean that is the divine color or that all other colors are lesser. It means that to me that color is the most appealing. If I think someone looks ugly that doesn't mean that they are damned or anything. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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"Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs." -Murphy's Law

lmao

I should try that line on a girl and see how fast it gets my arse kicked out of bed ...

I didnt say it sounds like old boring sex - I was just curious to see what had been written.

You crack me up.

So, what activites did you see?

And come on, we know you secretly liked it ... Engima, don't you think he secretly enjoyed it?

Racists always have 'explanations' to cover up their inadequacies!

You poor boy, you should open your soul to the wondrous variety to be found amongst the peoples who inhabit this earth. From my perspective racism seems to often be associated with sexual timidity.

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