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Old 12-08-2006
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Live and Let Live?

Where do you draw the line regarding a persons right to do as they please?

For me: as long as they dont harm anyone, they can do whatever they want.

For others: it seems that superficial things harm their precious feelings.

For example: most recently a woman was breast feeding her infant on an airplane when a hostess interrupted to say the breast feeding mother was "offending her". The mother was ejected from the plane because she refused to stop feeding her baby.

More common: two men kissing offends many people when they do so in public. Even holding hands is dangerous.
Less common but well known are the issues of interracial dating/marriage/sex.

Is it me or are people stressing themselves over things they should not be stressing themselves over?

I guess my point is this: live and let live.

Just my humble first thread. What do you think?
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Old 12-09-2006
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Re: Live and Let Live?

I do not like the idea of homosexual or interracial couples. But what is done in their own home is none of my business if it is between consenting adults. Now if they came into my home or business and displayed themselves like that I would ask them to stop or leave. In public though the only thing I can do is shy away from them or shun them.

I do agree that people take things way too far sometimes. Honestly, how does breastfeeding a baby offend someone? The one time a woman uses her breasts for their intended purpose it is offense? Give me a break.
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Old 12-09-2006
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Re: Live and Let Live?

Good first thread. I agree. People are pretty thin-skinned these days. I admit that I don't like what some people do in public. Or on television. But I have this magic device called a remote that lets me change the channel. And I can look away if I see a woman breastfeeding or people engaging in PDA. It doesn't hurt me, so who cares?
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Re: Live and Let Live?

If it's not illegal, I generally don't have a problem with it...
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Re: Live and Let Live?

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Where do you draw the line regarding a persons right to do as they please?

For me: as long as they dont harm anyone, they can do whatever they want.

For others: it seems that superficial things harm their precious feelings.

For example: most recently a woman was breast feeding her infant on an airplane when a hostess interrupted to say the breast feeding mother was "offending her". The mother was ejected from the plane because she refused to stop feeding her baby.

More common: two men kissing offends many people when they do so in public. Even holding hands is dangerous.
Less common but well known are the issues of interracial dating/marriage/sex.

Is it me or are people stressing themselves over things they should not be stressing themselves over?

I guess my point is this: live and let live.

Just my humble first thread. What do you think?
Excellent post, Beer. "Live and Let Live" is one of the mainstay principles among the crowd I run with. It makes life a lot more peaceful when you live your life that way.

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Re: Live and Let Live?

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For me: as long as they dont harm anyone, they can do whatever they want.
In other words, the right to swing my arm ends where another persons jaw begins, right?

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Re: Live and Let Live?

I am of the opinion, that in a (truer form of shining beacon of) democracy, we would be able to vote on our public ethics and morals.
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I am of the opinion, that in a (truer form of shining beacon of) democracy, we would be able to vote on our public ethics and morals.
That's when they stop being ethics and morals.

You can't legislate those...
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Re: Live and Let Live?

Are you implying that the populace of any municipality should not be able to vote on whether or not women can "bare their ankles", or go topless in public, in a truer form of democratic government?
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Re: Live and Let Live?

Why then, is it illegal for me to strut through the mall buck naked ?

Me being naked doesn't HURT anyone. It doesn't FORCE them to LOOK at me and my swinging willy.

It doesn't infringe on anyone elses rights ?

Whats that about ?
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Re: Live and Let Live?

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Are you implying that the populace of any municipality should not be able to vote on whether or not women can "bare their ankles", or go topless in public, in a truer form of democratic government?
Well, I'm not completely certain what you mean by "truer".

I do, however, know that you're someone who is both unable to make a point and unable to exercise actual logic and reason.

Good day, sir...
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Re: Live and Let Live?

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I am of the opinion, that in a (truer form of shining beacon of) democracy, we would be able to vote on our public ethics and morals.
Yes, this country (America) is supposed to BE run by "we the people".

That it is becoming less run by "we the people" and more run by a few elites that beleive they know best how to herd "we the sheeple" is a result of "we the peoples" apathy.
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Are you implying that the populace of any municipality should not be able to vote on whether or not women can "bare their ankles", or go topless in public, in a truer form of democratic government?
That's exactly what he was implying.

Then he goes on with an insult (post #11).

This is generally what you'll get from the "do it in the road with a goat", "if it feels good do it" crowd.
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Well, I'm not completely certain what you mean by "truer".

I do, however, know that you're someone who is both unable to make a point and unable to exercise actual logic and reason.

Good day, sir...
A truer form of democracy, would be direct representation by the people; in the example of some of the ancient Greek city-states.

Our current (less true) form of democracy, is a representative republican form of democracy.
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Re: Live and Let Live?

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A truer form of democracy, would be direct representation by the people; in the example of some of the ancient Greek city-states.

Our current (less true) form of democracy, is a representative republican form of democracy.
I'll stick with what we've got, thanks...
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