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Old 12-17-2006
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C'mon now. I'd love to keep the democrats from using this against civilian targets anywhere in the world but I'd like just as much to prevent republicans or even the National Association of Little Person's from doing the same.

When you say something like Democrats are the only people who point military weapons at US citizens when we all know the Bush administration had the National Guard using their guns to confiscate legally owned firearms from civilians in New Orleans you destroy any credibility you might have had.
I’m not certain it was a partisan decision, but not allowing weapons in the dome was not exactly confiscation. They could leave them at home. They simply weren’t allowed in the dome or busses.
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Why's it gotta be left vs. right all the friggin time? Only drones think that way.
Not my doing, a line has been drawn. The kind of freaking food your allowed to eat is a left vs. right thing for goodness sakes.

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I guarantee you there were republicans involved in Waco and the Elian debacle. I'll even take my prediction a step farther and say not only will it be manned by both republicans and democrats but it will be used during both a republican and democratic presidency.
And I disagree, republicans don’t share the same luxury as democrats. If president Bush had done as numb nuts in wacko to some lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender or with little Ammelio and him being a Mexican, well, you figure it out what the headlines would still be.
It’s a cool weapon, if it saves one American life it is worth it.
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And I disagree, republicans don’t share the same luxury as democrats. If president Bush had done as numb nuts in wacko to some lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender or with little Ammelio and him being a Mexican, well, you figure it out what the headlines would still be.
It’s a cool weapon, if it saves one American life it is worth it.
And what if monkies fly out of your butt?

Where exactly would this "lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender" be located? Strawmanville, perhaps?
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Old 12-17-2006
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That kid needed to go back to Cuba. He wasn't a US citizen, and his sole surviving parent was there.

Koresh thought he was jesus.

I don't have a problem with either of those two incidents...
Would you care to participate in a thread regarding Waco?

You see, I DO have a serious issue with what occured there, and I am quite curious as to the thought process of someone who thinks what happened was perfectly acceptable.
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republicans don’t share the same luxury as democrats. If president Bush had done as numb nuts in wacko to some lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender or with little Ammelio and him being a Mexican, well, you figure it out what the headlines would still be.
It’s a cool weapon, if it saves one American life it is worth it.
And what if monkies fly out of your butt?
I’d probably see a doctor…
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Where exactly would this "lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender" be located? Strawmanville, perhaps?
Anywhere you wish, it was a scenario.
Demobats are very quick on the draw when it comes to an attack on there base. janet reno actually poked her worthless ass below the bible belt once when someone blew up a lesbian compounds mailbox. Millions of dollars and weeks of headline press to turn up only some kids with cherry bombs who blew up several mailboxes on that street.
Even after it was over the press was still going on as if it were a hate crime.
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I’m not certain it was a partisan decision, but not allowing weapons in the dome was not exactly confiscation.
The National Guard was going door to door and confiscating guns all over the city. The NRA sued to make them give some of them back but many others they kept.
The Volokh Conspiracy - The New Orleans Gun Confiscation -- A Response to David Kopel:

Do you ignore the news so hard that you've never heard the phrase "Katrina Style Gun Siezures"? State's all over the country are introducing legislation to outlaw it and you don't even know it happened.

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It’s a cool weapon, if it saves one American life it is worth it.
Why do you gotta throw American in their? Why not just say one life? Your life is more valuable than mine because of where you were born?

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Not my doing, a line has been drawn. The kind of freaking food your allowed to eat is a left vs. right thing for goodness sakes.
And that will continue so long as you continue to give your blind cooperation.

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And I disagree, republicans don’t share the same luxury as democrats. If president Bush had done as numb nuts in wacko to some lesbian compound arming themselves against the male gender or with little Ammelio and him being a Mexican, well, you figure it out what the headlines would still be.
In Waco and Ruby Ridge people were alleged to have violated existing gun laws and the headlines were and still are very critical. In New Orleans the people were not alleged to have violated existing gun laws but were getting them confiscated anyway and you've never even heard about it.
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Would you care to participate in a thread regarding Waco?
I'd love to...

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You see, I DO have a serious issue with what occured there, and I am quite curious as to the thought process of someone who thinks what happened was perfectly acceptable.
The guy thought he was Jesus. He was, for the most part, unresponsive to authorities and, when he did respond, it was with gross contempt.

Sorry, but he had it comin'...
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This will be great for Presidential motorcades, it won't matter how much people hate their President now, nobody will be able to tolerate the "goodbye-weapon," and the streets will always be clear and free of people.

Is it still "non-leathal" when hundreds die in the stampede?

You know that this will fall into private hands at some point.

The possibilities for this could be endless, home protection, invisible fences, animal repellant. Just think, take one of these on your next quail hunt, and flush out all the birds.

I wonder if they'll be able to make them as small as a flashlight for personal protection.

Will it melt snow? That would be a scientific breakthrough!

This could get out of hand, and get overused, and misused, heck I'm already thinking of all kinds of ways I'd like to use it ...
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Ooo, ooo, what about insects, and rodents? would it work for pest control????
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Prediction: The portable oven WILL be used against civilians here in the US.
Interesting.

Back in the bad old days - pre-tazer - cops avoided physical confrontation at great length because it meant THEY had to get physical. A regular patrolman had to consider that every citizen had the potential to be equally armed.

With the advent of tazers, there is little insentive to avoid using it. It has become a tool to fight civil disobedience. Like the kid in the UCLA library or the man on our local news who argued, (no touching involved), with a cop about returning to his barrier island home after a hurricane and was tazered in front of his kids and a hundred other residents lined up on the bridge to go home. No one seems to think that's a big deal.

A cop came to my daughter's high school to talk about crime prevention. He showed the students the tazer and told them that he would not hesitate to use it on any one of them...so, like...straighten up and fly right I guess.

If the weapon in the article is real and it's practical use comes to fruition, there is little doubt in my mind that it would travel the same path as the tazer. And no one would much complain.
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When you say something like Democrats are the only people who point military weapons at US citizens when we all know the Bush administration had the National Guard using their guns to confiscate legally owned firearms from civilians in New Orleans you destroy any credibility you might have had.
When you trot out 'anti-W' examples that weren't any of his doing, you reduce your Own credibility.

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I'll even take my prediction a step farther and say not only will it be manned by both republicans and democrats but it will be used during both a republican and democratic presidency.
Sadly, I expect you're correct on this one, regardless.
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When you trot out 'anti-W' examples that weren't any of his doing, you reduce your Own credibility.

Sadly, I expect you're correct on this one, regardless.
You deaf? I didn't intend that to be anti-W anymore than I expect you to assume I'm talking about Clinton when I mention Waco or Elian. That was a DOJ thing far more than Clinton and the Katrina Siezures were FEMA. Why would you think that I would think Katrina is specifically anti-bush, guilty conscience? Clearly in context I'm pointing out that military weapons are used against civilians no matter who is in office contrary to Hanks claim that only democrats would do such a thing.

You know who I hold the most responsible? No clearly you don't so I'll tell you. Each and every individual National Guardsman and Blackwater Mercenary that kicked down the doors and confiscated guns from law abiding citizens no matter what their political affiliation. They're the one's who did it and that they did it in exchange for money doesn't redeem them one iota as far as I'm concerned.
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The guy thought he was Jesus. He was, for the most part, unresponsive to authorities and, when he did respond, it was with gross contempt.

Sorry, but he had it comin'...
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What is the world coming to?

Imagine developing, and using, non-lethal weapons when we've got perfectly good lethal weapons laying around and going to waste.

What were they thinking? The wimps.
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we all know the Bush administration had the National Guard using their guns to confiscate legally owned firearms from civilians in New Orleans.
~Snip~ I’m not certain it was a partisan decision, but not allowing weapons during the evacuation was not exactly confiscation.
The National Guard was going door to door and confiscating guns all over the city. The NRA sued to make them give some of them back but many others they kept.
The Volokh Conspiracy - The New Orleans Gun Confiscation -- A Response to David Kopel:

Do you ignore the news so hard that you've never heard the phrase "Katrina Style Gun Siezures"? State's all over the country are introducing legislation to outlaw it and you don't even know it happened.
Well, okay, that one got past me. Kinda lost interest in Katrina news. You know, The levees were intentionally blown up because president Bush doesn’t like black people, president Bush caused the hurricane because he doesn’t care about the environment, president Bush let people die…Yea, I missed the president Bush took away guns thing. But I did look into it and discovered it was Mayor Ray Nagin and not president Bush at all: Press Release: GOA Denounces Gun Confiscations In New Orleans


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It’s a cool weapon, if it saves one American life it is worth it.
Why do you gotta throw American in their? Why not just say one life? Your life is more valuable than mine because of where you were born?
Sheesh, lighten up. It was in context to American defense weaponry. If it had been a British defense weapon I would have stated accordingly one British life.
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Well we’ll just have to keep it away from the only ones who point military weapons at U.S. citizens. Democrats:



Why's it gotta be left vs. right all the friggin time? Only drones think that way.
Not my doing, a line has been drawn. The kind of freaking food your allowed to eat is a left vs. right thing for goodness sakes.
And that will continue so long as you continue to give your blind cooperation.
It will continue as long as moonbats try and tell me what kind of car I’m allowed to drive or food they’ll allow me to eat…


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In Waco and Ruby Ridge people were alleged to have violated existing gun laws and the headlines were and still are very critical. In New Orleans the people were not alleged to have violated existing gun laws but were getting them confiscated anyway and you've never even heard about it.
It’s the way the news is reported anymore. For all we know they were confiscated while going door to door for evacuation, not door to door just to take guns. You really have to keep a heads up on news nowadays.
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No Hank, it's a pretty well known and well told story. It just got lost in the rest of the Hurricane Katrina disaster stories. People are too willing to brush it off as having been extenuating circumstances - well of course it was.
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