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God is the definer of what is right and wrong. That is the way to know what is moral or immoral.
So a person who does not believe in god can't be moral??
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I was referring to how moral standards are made...not mine personally.
Yours would be what, to hard to define what they are based on?
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most people don't derive their values directly from any external source.
It sounds helter skelter.
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As iam indicated somewhat jauntily, most people form their values internally based on their experiences, knowledge, reason, and feelings.
Did Hitler have feelings? Stalin? Pol Pot? Saddam?
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Instinct
I'll bet that OJ Simpson has 'instinct.'
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I consider that to be moral, which doesn't impede on the legitimate rights of my fellow human beings.
A heroine user doesn't impede their morals on you, right?
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Re: What are Moral Values based on?
Maybe I should restate the question.

What, if anything at all, are your Moral Values (assuming that some of you actually may have some) based on specifically that could be shared.
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Kinetic it appears to me you are trying to find Moral Values that everyone agrees with.. things like
THOU SHALT NOT STEAL
THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT MURDER Etc
You want to discuss the vague morals that people disagree with..
like..
indecent exposure
homosexual acts..

the easiest way to have this discussion is come up with a list of morals that are questionable.. and then see where everyone stands.. ... .
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A heroine user doesn't impede their morals on you, right?
You sir, could use a dictionary, but I get your drift.

No sir, a heroin user doesn't impede my rights by using heroin. But if he(she) robs me to support his (her) habit, he (she) does.

Unfortunately in any society some people are going to make bad choices. Draconian laws certainly haven't stopped that.
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It sounds helter skelter.
In a sense, yes.

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Did Hitler have feelings? Stalin? Pol Pot? Saddam?
Yes, yes, yes, and yes. Though feelings was but one of the for things I mentioned (the others being experiences, knowledge, and reason). The four loathsome specimens of humanity your mentioned had those, in some form, aswell. But I hardly see what that has to do with it.
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Maybe I should restate the question.

What, if anything at all, are your Moral Values (assuming that some of you actually may have some) based on specifically that could be shared.
The question has been asked and responded to; no need to restate the question.

You simply didn't like the answers...
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I have heard on this forum that ones moral values shouldn't be used to criminalize behavior deemed immoral. There are obscenity laws that forbid billboard advertisers from using nude models and that television be restricted as well but the standards are challenged constantly.

Many have expressed that they do not want to live by some moral standards but seem, for whatever reason, unable to articulate a set of moral standards of their own. This represents a conundrum when asked to produce those values or share them. It seems that some actually believe that a lack of moral standards is equivalent to having standards or they make them up as they go and are seemingly based on something that cannot be shared.

So I ask the forum what do you base moral values on? Is it religious conviction? Science? Biology? History? Made up as you go? Go with the flow? What, if anything, should we base our moral values on collectively? Anything in particular or nothing in general?
The golden rule: do unto others..blah blah blah.

Live and let live. Do as you please as long as it doesn't affect others.
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Kinetic, I just want to add that not everyone needs a "morality for dummies" book. In other words, weve evolved to appreciate mutual respect (morals). The only basis for that is experience. Experience comes in the form of being raised by your parents, resonating with your peers, working among people with a common goal, and holding friends you hold dear to your heart. All of those things are based on one common goal: enjoying life.
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Do as you please as long as it doesn't affect others.
Oh, shit... NOW you've done it!
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The golden rule: do unto others..blah blah blah.

Live and let live. Do as you please as long as it doesn't affect others.
For the sake of discussion, what if those two contradict each other?
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For the sake of discussion, what if those two contradict each other?
That's not possible.

If you "do unto others", or if "they do unto you", then doing as you please, as long as it doesn't affect others, is already out the window...
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