Oh boy. Read it again. You will find that I was speaking to Robert.

Take your time and read carefully.

Who has compassion? Where did someone say they have compassion? I think you are reading something that's not here.

I've extracted plenty.....I just don't agree with it.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Ummmm, you quoted me, not Robert.
So you need to take your time...

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

It seems to me that people have more compassion for the man who cut a girls head off when those said people think he should die in a quicker, painless manner.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

Wrong.

This isn't about having compassion for the criminal. It's about not encouraging UNNECESSARY brutality.

If the guy's gonna go to the gallows anyway, what possible good could it do to torture him first?

Or would you rather he was crucified first anyway? Do you think that should be brought back as well? I'd really love to hear your point of view on this one and your reasons behind it.

There's a reason society evolved to become less wantonly brutal.

Did I advocate the killing of all criminals instead of arresting them? Or did I perhaps suggest a different tactical approach to the situation you had invented in your ivory tower. I Pointed out that the law, even American law allowed for the actions presented in the video dispalayed in the thread mentioned. However you didn't want to hear it and instead prefered to start slanging insults as per the liberal 'I don't know how to debate' playbook.

Do Dr. Goodtrips and O'sullivan bere think that they are smarter then the founding fathers? Isn't that up to them to put forth?

But hay as long as you are down for hurling personal insults and then masking them as "Oberservations" then I'm here for you.

Good for you.

What is the opposite of brutality ?.......It is compassion.
Hence, you have more compassion for the murderer because you feel he should receive less suffering at death than the girl did.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

And you base that statement upon what?

There are no innocents on death row Sam. Sorry.

Every single person there has been found guilty of a crime deserving the death penalty. That is an undeniable fact.

Now yes, there have been some instances of people who, for one reason or another, had their sentances commuted, and a few who were executed before evidence came to light which exonerated them.

While this is not desireable, the painful reality is, humanity is imperfect. As we are imperfect, that means everything we do is imperfect.

Because of this our justice system is structured such that people are found guilty, not beyond ALL doubt, but beyond REASONABLE doubt.

So yes, with those facts in mind, I am willing to accept the risk that the criminal has a possibility of not being guilty - knowing that the possibility is not very probable.

Perhaps one day when humanity can do everything perfectly, i'll rethink my perspective, but until then, i will have to take our imperfections into account.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Nope. Not true. I simply don't have homicidal/maniacal/brutal tendencies liek the murderer does.

And so, once again, the question appears: if it were you or one of your family who were on death row, wrongly convicted, would you be OK with that because "humanity is imperfect?"

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

In a word, yes.

Now, since your question was phrased in such a way as to make me seem like a cold, heartless asshole, let me explain.

Considering the process which is involved in convicting a person of a crime which can get the death penalty, there would be some serious doubts in my mind that my family member did not commit the crime. After all, it would be a capital crime for which there would have to be an incredible amount of evidence which incriminated him.

Now, if for some reason, i still believed he didnt do it, i would do everything in my power to get the conviction overturned. Of course, the only way it would be possible that he DIDNT do it is if he were in my presence at the time the crime was committed. (Of course, then i would be a witness for the defense and he wouldnt be convicted anyway)....

If i was unable to find any evidence that exonerated my relative, then yes, i would accept the sentance. Would i be happy about it? Of course not. Would i have done everything i could to free my relative? Of course. Would i advocate scrapping the entire process? No.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Thank you for an honest answer, Eric.

I think this is where my beliefs separate me from many; to me even having the possibility of wrongly executing someone outweighs any positive benefits. I'm personally just not willing to take that risk. However, I can understand why others do.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

[quote=Rahul;891402]That wasn't the topic either. Did you read the OP, where it said "discuss severe capital punishment thing".

My argument is barbarism and torture should not be allowed - if the death penalty is implemented, kill the person in a humane way.


QUOTE] I fully agree.