While i can appreciate where you're coming from, i dont agree with that approach.

By eliminating the death penalty, because you MIGHT execute an innocent, is no different than getting rid of cars because there MIGHT be an accident.

The real benefit of the death penalty far outweighs - in my mind - the potential perceived good of eliminating it. While an innocent MIGHT be executed, the guilty definitely WILL be - and the chance an innocent might be becomes smaller with every passing day.

Yes, you should work towards perfection, but you dont put things on hold until it is achieved.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I have a question. Why because of this would you understand WHY??? Now if you said "revenge against such people", or "advodcation of the death penalty", I would understand.

There is no doubt however, that things like this push a lot of "HOT" buttons.

It's called revenge. and something like this DOES push that type of button. That's why more level heads are necessary. Chopping of his head would just further damage and diminish the credibility of the public Even tho temporatily it will make them feel vindicated. (Like the hanging of Saddam)

Which is pretty much what I've been arguing so far - you misunderstood my post.

I don't know that your example is relevant. There are other alternatives to the death penalty (life without parole) that are, to the best of my knowledge, no less effective in the prevention/deterrence of crime. So it's not like getting rid of cars because there might be an accident, it's more like getting rid of cars with knives welded to their bumpers because they might hit a pedestrian.

I do understand and respect your perspective; I just have to disagree. But, hey, that's what this is all about, right?

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Yep we're going to have to, and no - i really dont see life without possibility as an alternative.

People that get the death penalty have committed crimes so heinous, society has decided they no longer deserve to live in that society. Being incarcerated for life simply places the burden of paying for their existence upon society rather than on the person himself.

If we could banish them, i would accept that as an alternative - but where are you going to send them?

Until there is a real alternative to execution which forever removes them from any chance of returning to society under any circumstances, we're going to have to stick with the one option we currently have.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I don't think I misunderstood -----I was simply adding to---- except that I am not opposed to capital punishment

See, I think it'd make more sense to be rid of the death penalty, and use the money that's saved (we all have to admit, with the current system it's cheaper to give someone life in prison than put them to death) to do some real research into what causes crime and how we can eliminate those causes. I think that'd have more chance of eliminating the criminal behavior than our system of punishment (incarceration or death) has.

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And i'd say, save even MORE money and simply execute em faster so that it doesnt cost more.

I accept the reality that you cannot eliminate crime, and you cannot elminate the cause of it. Why? Because ultimately crime is caused by people who do not want to do things the right way. Some of those people are so unwilling to integrate with the rest of humanity that they must be permanently removed.

All human life is not precious. Some of it is worthless. The bag of shit in the OP is a prime example.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

I guess I'm just more optimistic. I believe that all human life is precious, but that there are some humans who have gone astray (some for biological reasons, others for unknown). I do think that crime could be all but eliminated, if the root causes (ignorance, poverty, greed, need, etc.) were eliminated as well.

With as many posts like this that you do, I picture you as kind of a little Beavis hiding behind his keyboard.

Surely you can contribute more than a smiley or a "YEAH! Heh heh heh!" response?

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Yea, I am......And you're the butthead !

I have nothing more to add, I have my opinion and you have your's....We can go on and on about who is right and who is wrong but what's the use.....In the end, I'll be right and you'll be wrong.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

If we were dealing with a piece of machinery which had only recently been invented, i'd be inclined to agree with you.

Unfortunately we're dealing with human beings.

Because of this, to continue to believe that any of the root causes can be eliminated is at best, overly naive.

To believe that you should eliminate the methods of dealing with those people because you think you might someday find a way to eliminate those issues is not only naive, but borders on criminally stupid.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I think you're taking what I'm saying a bit too far. Note that nowhere do I say that it's a good idea to dispose of the justice system.

I do, however, think that it's a good idea to set high goals and work towards them as much as we can. Isn't that the truly optimistic path? Look at the worlds religions and those who they consider holy. They consistently take the position that humanity is good, and worth trying to save. That's all I'm trying to do here.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

So, if you're always right (except for your grammar and spelling, of course), why do you come to a discussion forum?

I may be extreme-left in my viewpoints, but I am here to try to learn something (which I have), and I'm also willing to admit to my mistakes.


Are you willing to admit yours, Beavis?

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