Well, I'm only really concerned with US schools, sorry.


I never implied that others wouldn't be hurt, again, I said there is a plain line (some may say a fine line, but it's a clearly visible one) between punishment and abuse.


As I've stated it can never be done out of anger, and there should always be a witness.

Physical punishment is not violent if done properly, as I've stated.

Yes

Yes, it's well proven to me every time I look in the mirror.

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Ok. No biggie.

How do you know someone won't cross that line accidentally?

OK ...

So beating someone on the ass isn't violence?

So you admit you can't prove it.

I say go for it, corporal punishment that is.....
I've gotten my ass spanked in school (hard to believe, I know) and I can honestly say I deserved every one of them.
Yes, there were cases where teachers went overboard but that was long ago and our laws have changed much to prevent that.

I always told the school (in front of my kids) to go ahead and spank them, because odds were, they'd get it worse from me when they got home.

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Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

The thought that corporal punishment returning to schools will suddenly return the clock back to when children were better behaved is naive.

Today's societal problems do not stem from a lack of punishment, but rather the lack of parenting, and a society hell-bent on poisoning children's minds for a buck.

It is a little hard to expect children to behave well in school when they are allowed to do whatever in the hell they want outside of it. I never seem to run out of amazement over the years when I saw what parents of my children's friends let their children do.

Parents are AWOL in this country.

It's not punishment...it is a society without guidance and boundaries.

We don't. That's when those people should be dealt with


Until permanent marks are made (i.e. Bruises and such) or there is blood, then no, it's not violence.

No, I admit that I am living proof that it does work if done properly.

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I absolutely think that corporal punishment should be used in schools. I believe that good behavior should be rewarded and bad behavior should be punished. I think the worse the bad behavior the worse the punishment should be.

I do agree with iamwhatiseem though in that the addition of corporal punishment is not going to completely clean up the schools because of the parental issues. However I think it may make a little bit of an improvement, and that makes it worth it.

I am not in favor of anyone hitting a child. I can't believe so many are!

WOW.

A little discipline is just what the doctor ordered for so many of today's out of control youth.

You can’t hit an adult legally for doing something wrong so why is it considered ok to strike a child who is totally defenceless. Corporal punishment is often administered out of anger so the intention in these cases is to make someone pay as opposed to teach a lesson.
In the end it is a lazy way of addressing a problem. Intimidating people or children into acting a certain way may only make them act that way when they fear being caught. It does not necessarily alter their perception of right or wrong.
I don’t want anyone hitting my children. I don’t.

Exactly.

Why don't children have the same rights not to be hit as adults do?

Oh! They do, don't they? Isn't corporal punishment illegal these days? Thank God, we aren't in the dark ages anymore, we've progressed! What do ya know?!

Rahul, In response (I posted one but it disappeared) and most of my points have been well covered expecially the humiliation NECESSITY.

I have raise four children, and have uses CP a sum total of four times, one was with a neighbors child (it was inconjuction with my youngest son now 46) The Point is that because they knew I would use my "Power" they behaved.(mostly) so such punishment wasn't necessary. My word and I were respected.

Just my thoughts ... I attended an all-boys private school where corporal punishment was allowed, and indeed I myself received "the strap" on several occasions. I disagree with your first point, as most of the school saw being strapped as a right of passage. It was never the actual strap that did the damage, but the thought process leading up to it. The strap didn't really hurt that much, it was just the humiliation of being strapped in front of the class that was more harmful. Anyone who has ever been strapped (not belted in an abusive manner) will tell you that there is no physical harm, a little bit of pain, but it is more of a shock than anything. I'm all in favour of a good kick up the backside of someone steps out of line, as obviously much of what we're doing isn't working.

Although i'm not going to fully participate in this discussion, i will offer these observations.

Corporal punishment in school was very common in my generation. Somehow we survived it. We didn't "find ways around" corporal punishment, that was the first step and when the hellian in question couldn't be made compliant that way, they were suspended (sometimes for the remainder of the school year)

On the other hand, the no corporal punishment generation of today tendf to "busta cap in yo ass" in a situation where we would have had a fistfight. We didn't have Columbine style massacres, we didn't have or need metal detectors in the school doors.

Make what you will of it, IMO it's 2007 and a bit late for corporal punishment.

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I really CANT explain what exactly changes. I can tell you that something does. You're going to have to take my word for that.
Usually things which are severe enough to warrant suspension as well. In fact, typically when i was in school, you were given the choice of getting paddled or going home. Gross insubordination was what i usually got it for
As we have already established that corporal punishment isnt given without a reason, your reasoning is pointless.
No it isnt - and it wasnt directed at you anyway.
Frustrated? Sure. Old? Not quite.
Sorry, yes it does.
I disagree. Humilation is a good punishment tool - especially when you're dealing with adolescents. Additionally a spanking can be very effective.
You can disagree with it all you want, but we as a society do not. Additionally you can disagree with corporal punishment, but you havent given any reasons against it other than conjecture and supposition.
What i said was neither insulting no agressive. It was a plain statement of fact.
Of course you wouldnt, but then again neither would the kid. This is typical of those who have little to no actual experience in the issue at hand but think they have a superior idea.

Sorry - not trying to insult you - just stating a fact of life.

In all sincerity, your opinion about corporal punishment in the US means less than squat since you not only dont have kids, but you dont live here.
No, but they are better informed opinions than your own. Again, not insulting you - just stating facts.

Your understanding of child rearing and discipline is purely theoretical. Mine involves applied knowlege.
Nice oversimplification. You're welcome to offer your input, but you really should consider the views of those who have dealt with the situation.

Regarding executions, the opinion of the condemned is irrelevant.
No, i dont HAVE to. I'm not the one suggesting a change. See how that works?
I dont - but then again, if they simply enjoy hurting others, they're likely to do it regardless of whether corporal punishment is allowed or not.

By removing the option for it on THAT basis, you're making the same silly argument the anti-gun crowd uses for gun control - and wilfully ignoring the same reality.
True, but then again, making it illegal doesnt mean it wont happen either now does it?
Assuming you're using the term to mean "abuse" then yes, we agree. If you're interpreting a spanking as "abuse" then no, we do not agree.
When its been the norm for the thousands of years preceding and there are demonstrable ill effects since changing it, then yes, we can assume it was a good idea.
Had nothing to do with your avatar, and it wasnt an assumption. It was a calculated conclusion based upon your views and writing. Believe it or not, those things say a lot about a person. You, my friend, come across quite clearly as someone in their early to mid 20's with no children. Your views on this are quite consistent with others in your age group.

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Perhaps thats because you dont