But the point is, it could occur.

No, you are wrong about it being non violent. It is violent. The dictionary meaning of the word "violent" is:

violent - Definitions from Dictionary.com ...

Perhaps you could look at the defintion and advise why exactly you say corporal punishment is non-violent?

Further, sports aren't what we're discussing.

But I have no proof that your well disciplined. Why should I believe you?

Time tested, but times change, you know ...

Isn't that what I just said???

Sorry to say, By your posts, you appear far more Brainwashed than disciplined. Your posts on liberals proves that beyond a doubt.

Yeah it could - then again, Ed McMahon could show up at my door today with a $10,000,000.00 check. Im not going to count on it though.

My point being, you dont stop doing something known to work because something might go wrong.
Times change, people do not.

Or perhaps you could demonstrate where people have actually changed to the degree that it is no longer needed...

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

But you would count on the fact that kids could be abused?

But what if you could improve that something?

I believe we've changed quite a bit since prehistoric or even Roman times.

Perhaps you could first articulate what exactly you were referring to when you said "you'll have to take my word for it"?

I'll count on the fact that they will be, regardless of laws one way or the other.
Improve it or make it illegal? You're not talking about improving corporal punishment, you're talking about making it illegal. There is a difference.

Making it illegal does nothing but remove a valid tool for educating and disciplining children from the options legitimately available. It does nothing to prevent or stop those who would abuse children.
I dont. Technology has changed, but people have not. We still have the same goals, drives, etc.

Minor physical evolutionary changes? Perhaps. Changes in human nature? not a chance in hell.
Considering that comment in context, im sorry, but no i really cannot describe exactly what changes when one becomes a parent. I simply dont have the ablility to put it into words. Some of it is subtle, some of it not so much, but the plain fact is it is a very real change.

Consider the friends you may have who have had children. Do you or do you not notice changes in their behavior? The way they do things, their outlook on life, their shift in priorities. These are all part of what changes when you become a parent. You can argue with me all you want, and quite frankly, most parents would tell you the same thing i am - and would dismiss your arguments with much the same attitude. It really is one of those conditions you must experience to fully understand.

Perhaps someone else here can do so, but i really cannot.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

But don't you agree it's advisable to lessen the chances of abuse by not allowing potentially abusive activities?

I thought you were saying the current system is what works and shoudl thus be left alone. So I said, what if that current system could be improved (by abolishing corporal punishment)?

I have to disagree. Corporal punishment is in no way educational.

But I don't agree that corporal punishment should be amongst the "legitimately available" options.

Yes, we have the same goals and drives, but we deal with things differently. We dont hunt animals with knives when we're hungry, do we? Similarly, I see no reason to continue corporal punishment just because we did so before for whatever reason.

Well, if you had told me that upfront I would have been satisfied. Thanks for saying it now.

I haven't noticed any apparent changes in them really, not as far as day to day interaction with them goes. But then, I dont know (and neither have I asked) what they do inside their homes with their kids.

Sure, they have less time for themselves and other such expected things, but as far as shift in priorites, etc ... I couldn't tell ...

Fair enough ... I'll see if someone else can.

No, because the definition of "potentially abusive" includes some very worthwhile activities. It is far too subjective.
You'd have to prove it would be improved.
Again, this is because you dont have children.

Believe me - a swat on the behind is VERY educational.
Fine - we disagree
You've simply described a technological change, not a human nature change.

And yes - we still kill animals for food - we just use different tools.
I did - just not in as much detail
Really? You mean they still go out and make the same financial and lifestyle decisions they made before having children?
Then again, you dont know what they spend their money on anymore do you? You dont know how they may have changed many other details in their lives.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Yes, it could, everytime we get in a vehicle we could be killed, too, but we still do it.

In order to be violent, you have to be trying to injure someone. In corporal punishment, when done properly, you're not trying to injure anyone. Anytime someone is trying to injure someone and call it corporal punishment, it is then abuse. There is no long lasting pain in corporal punishment, or any injury, so it can't be called violence.

And you say that I dodge?

Because I'm Conservative, and am therefore honest.

Times do change, however, corporal punishment, just like Conservatism, works every time it's properly tried.

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Since when has free-thinking been a sign of brainwashing? My posts on Liberals are factual observations.

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Somebody earlier posted a great litmus test to the effect of 'You can slap my kid if he gets out of line if I can slap yours when he gets out of line.' That sums it up pretty well, tho it can be better generalized to allowing capital punishment only by those you know and trust to properly administer it. (My childless aunt, for example.)

Too many people try to legislate blanket feel-good solutions to highly variable situations. Yes, some children can be properly managed without spankings. Yes, some adults will tend to over-administer punishment. These are valid reasons for caution and/or restraint, but not necessarily abolishment of a practice that has generally worked well for millenia.

Probably all parents have heard at some point something to the effect of "You're mean and horrible" but just because a child says it doesn't necessarily mean it's true. In my experience at least, children can tell the difference between legitimate corporal punishment and actual abuse. Corporal punishment you forget. I know I was spanked on multiple occassions. I think I might have broken a lamp, or dropped a dish after being told not to pick it up, or watched TV when I should have folded laundry. Thing is, I don't remember exactly because it was no big deal - I did something wrong, I suffered appropriate consequences, learned from the experience, and went on with life, even if there may have been some screaming or tears at the time. I do remember taking a warm, leisurely bath and then being yelled at as the door burst open and I took several hits across the back with a belt because I hadn't cleaned my room. Yes, spanking Can be abuse, but anybody who says spanking Is abuse doesn't know their butt from a stained glass window.

The only thing I can add to the 'being a parent is different' thing is to confirm it's nearly impossible to convey. The best parallel I've heard is it's like trying to describe sex to a virgin - You have to kind of take people's word for it until you've been there yourself and the little lightbulb comes on.


When the so-called 'free-thinking' consists of parroting facile pronouncements because they go against the norm and make one feel superior rather than taking those pronouncements as an alternate starting point for true analysis of an issue. Kind of like all the 'rebellious goth counter-culture non-conformists' - If they were True non-conformists, they wouldn't tend to all look alike, would they?

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Today's forecast: Government corruption.

Tomorrow's forecast: 100% chance of more 'politics as usual'

Maybe it's finally time to vote Libertarian

Thanks for the support and confirmation.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

No.
Is this in your opinion or in reality?
In Australia it is illegal to strike an adult no matter what you believe to be the justification short of them physically threatening or attacking you. Been given a hiding by your kids lately?

I would like to see you spank an adult for not doing what you told them or doing something you considered to be wrong or dangerous.

In that case the problem could be avoided then. However you statement is unsupported by any form of evidence so I will take it as merely an uninformed belief. It is still a simplistic lazy way of dealing with behavioural issues.

How? What effect does it have other than intimidation.
There would be plenty of cases where adults became violent themselves due to being physically punished as a child and thus believing it was an acceptable way of dealing with issues that way you do.
So does telling them. It just requires more time and care.

No it doesn’t. There we are even.