You are correct, spankings are not effective nor required by everyone.
Raising two girls, I can say that the oldest seemed to be like you. All I had to do was explain the reasons and give a firm voice...I think I've only swatted her behind twice in 17 yrs.

Now the youngest, that's a whole different case......Taking privileges away, talking to her, groundings, spankings.....Nothing worked......She was about as bullheaded as a bull.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

If you think it is never acceptable to hit an adult, then there is no further need to continue.

I stopped reading here. Nothing else you have to say is worth the time - i dont waste my breath on stupid pacifists.

Yes i said stupid, not ignorant.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

You can't look at this like its a black and white issue. Different parents will choose different routes, and as long as whatever they choose is not excessive then it will work. If a child is spanked too much they might develop emotional problems, but on the flip side if a child does not respond to non-physical behavior modification and is not spanked they can grow up to become spoiled and entitled. It is just as bad (probably worse actually) to not be firm enough with your children as it is to be overly controlling.

Ive always been against corporal punishment of children. I think hitting someone is a sense of violence. I also defend a parents right to rear their child as they see fit as long as the child doesnt suffer.

Schools need to teach, not 'correct'. Leave it to parents to do the correcting. Too many schools think hitting kids is 'tough love' which I disagree with. It is not a schools job to 'love' your kids. Spare me the valentines day crap that school is paternal love. Schools need to remove themselves from 'correcting' children. Teaching them facts and figures and allowing parents to moralize them is the way to go.

So I am totally against corporal punishment of kids by schools. Leave your hands off my kids (if I have any). Thanks.

I agree, schools are not there to raise kids. That is the parent's job. Period.

In light of this, schools also need to be able to kick out kids who pose constant problems. Suspend younger kids for a few days and then maybe the parents will be able to see what they are forcing the teachers to go through.

Wow is right. We got some sadists on this board.
Kids will be kids.
It is funny how some expect them to be well-behaved, subserviant, miniature adults.

I would say to encourage kids to misbehave simply to enjoy themselves and to get it all out.

Exactly, I agree with your point. Exercise the schools ability to suspend rather to punish. I'll tell you, I avoided suspension fearing what awaited me on those days I wasnt at school: yard, house work, laborious work.

Nobody expects kids to be subservient or act like adults, but children need to be taught right from wrong. Sometimes I didn't respond well to timeouts and I never responded well to raised voices, and if I wasn't spanked the few times it was necessary I would have become spoiled and entitled.

Spanking is never done out of anger. It is the way to tell a child that what they are doing is terribly wrong. Kids aren't randomly picked up and spanked, parents go through other options first. It is at the top end of the discipline continuum, used after other means don't work.

There has been much in the press about the level of physical punishment a parent is allowed. As long as the parent does not violate those expectations, then it is their business.

My issue is with schools playing parents. It seems many on this board support the role that schools wish which illicited my emotional response.

No, not everyone who hits their kid is a sadist. I hope none are. Just the ones who regularly leave bruises and tell their kid its "tough love".

I didn’t say not acceptable. Just illegal.
Having stopped reading, how would you know this?

Yes you do.

You can’t know that I am stupid or that I am a pacifist because you said you stopped reading. Therefore you are either ignorant or a liar. Either way you struggle with the concept of supporting and explaining your claims, and refuting others arguments effectively within the confines of a civilised debate. By your logic anyone who does not agree with you is an idiot. Why do you bother on these forums?

Its nothing but an old school, pig headed, simpleton mentality held by people with closed minds. The tired old line that “ I used to get a beating and it never did me any harm” is charmingly ironic!.

And what adult is 100% well behaved and does not do some of the things they will gladly flog their children for? That old school hypocrisy is enshrined in the “do as I say” policy the simpletons like to hide behind!

They generally need no encouragement to misbehave, rather need some explanation as to why it is viewed thus and why it is unacceptable. And the parents need to understand that it won’t always work the first time.

Did you respond to your first spanking?
How can you possibly speak for anyone but yourself on this?
That’s possibly a fine ideal if you are to employ such measures. I would suggest there is plenty of variation depending on the individuals involved.

How is it ironic? The vast majority of people were spanked. This idea of not ever spanking is new.

The thing that really chaps my ass about those who dont believe in spanking is their insistence that their choices be forced upon the rest of us.

Not unlike the anti gun crowd.

On the other hand, i dont give a damn if you spank your kids or not - they're your kids. I simply dont want anyone to have the audacity to tell me what I should and should not do with mine.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

I disagree. Paddling a kid isn't "very worthwhile". Again, perhaps you could provide some examples of your own here so we can actually discuss the specifics?

I've already provided a link which says spanking doesn't help. Now it's up to you to provide something backing up your positions. You have not provided anything uptil now other than your own opinions, which you are entitled to, but in a debate one needs more than just an opinion.

You have not bothered to explain your position on this, neither have you provided proof.

Change neverthless. Further, we try not to kill animals in a barbaric fashion these days in the First World.
And methods.
Again, I am not privy to their finanical decisions. I don't know what they do with their bank accounts, and it's not any of my business really. Since WE are discussing this, maybe YOU could provide some insight into it?

Lifestyle - they stop partying excessively, devote more time to the kid, but other than that, I don't know ... the usual arguments still occur - really, you should provide some insight into this.

Eric, this is getting old - why dont you enlighten me instead of beating about the bush?