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crisis · #91 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Sorry, but you have no say on how others raise their children.

The fact that you THINK you do, speaks volumes.

Sorry, you don’t get out of it with that simplistic evasion.

They are no ones possessions.
Please discuss.

They are people. And they are abused daily.
Please discuss

Any idiot can have a child. They need to be protected from these idiots.
Please discuss

And some people do need to be told what to do with “their” children for “their” children’s welfare.
Please discuss

crisis · #92 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

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Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

No, that was abuse. My point was the specifics of discipline are eventually forgotten and the lesson retained.

Seemed a reasonably unimportant lesson though.

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Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

I knew it, but reinforcement and/or teaching that there are actual Consequences to bad choices are not necessarily bad things.

When they are disproportionate they are. Especially when physical violence is involved.

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Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

No, they will still be disciplined. Just because a child calls anything that inhibits them from doing whatever they want 'abuse' doesn't mean that it is.

But it relies on what the adult considers bad or good behaviour and there is a wide range of views. Being denied a liberty unjustly is hardly comparable with a beating.

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Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

That's actually a point in Favor of spanking! Those who Don't know right from wrong will (at least partly) correct their behavior based on knowing 'spankable' from 'non-spankable' actions.

But it doesn’t modify their intentions or reasoning. Only their actions. When they believe their actions will go unnoticed the bad behaviour can return. No lesson is learnt other than don’t get caught.

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Originally Posted by Evil_inKarlate

Speaking in broad generalities, children learned right from wrong and grew up to be productive members of society. The 'proof' of this is that society has continued forward rather than devolved back to anarchy, true tribalism, or such.

Gang violence, organised crime, right up to corporate crime leads me to think otherwise. What is you timeframe?

3.14 · #93 (**permalink**) 01-16-2007

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

With many children a swat on the butt emphasises what the parent has said, and gets the kid's attention.This method of education and discipline has thousands of years of history behind it, and is known to work

But I just provided a link showing the ill effects of spanking ... Did you look at that?

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

The best fact to back up MY statement is the objective reality that spanking kids has been considered normal through all of human history.

The only thing you've got to counter that is one study? Going to have to do better than that.

But what have YOU got to back it up? Absolutely nothing, other than your word and your own experiences. Saying "objective reality" doesnt mean anything. I'm sorry, but you've failed to back up what you said, and keep requesting others for proof.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Again, the historical fact of countless generations of parents using spanking as an educational and disciplinary tool with good effect should be proof enough.

But it's not. Facts and figures are missing, instead, we have vague,all encompassing statements.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

Are you REALLY going to say that you're better equipped to decide how to educate/discipline a child than every single one of the parents who have gone before you since the dawn of man?

THAT, my friend, is the height of arrogance

I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

I have no clue as to their financial decisions, other than that they will now involve purchases of diapers, bottles, and loads of brightly colored plastic.

Those are just some of the lifestyle changes i'm talking about. These kinds of things change you. I assure you, they dont miss the partying. In fact, if they're like any other parent i have ever known, they're likely saying to themselves "what did we do with all the extra time we must have had before we had kids?"

Neither of this is relevant, though.

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Originally Posted by EricOKC

I have tried, but as someone else said, its not unlike explaining sex to a virgin. I can tell you the mechanics, but thats the extent of it. Based on what you can actually understand without doing it, it seems pretty easy.

Unfortunately, not all kids are the same, and they dont respond to the same things.

So, start by telling me the mechanics then.

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