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Western Otto · #46 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

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First of all, the Patriot Act has done no such thing. There is no connection between a program that only targets communications coming from, or going to foreign individuals suspected of terrorism. So, unless you have terrorist contacts, (and I doubt you do) I'd say you're safe.Well, now that torture has been defined, it's been stopped. However, you can't expect the same treatment from our enemy, but whatever makes you feel better, I guess.First of all, George W. Bush didn't lie about WMD's, all reports stated that they existed, and I do believe they were moved to Syria. We've lost a very small portion of soldiers, it's been a huge success from that standpoint, and you can thank the terrorists for killing all those civilians. Is it un-American to protect and defend ourselves from terrorists? If the terrorists weren't in Iraq, they would be here.very once in a while, if you think about it enough, you'll strike gold, and you've definitely struck it here! I assume you're talking about gay marriage, and I couldn't agree with you more, that, along with abortion, along with some other issues are state issues that should be delt with state by state, power to the people, the way our nation was designed!They're not.I respect that, totally, I really do.

If you are an example of the graduates of the Rush Limbaugh Institute of Lobotomy and Drug Rehab, then I'm glad my kids didn't go there. Oh well, I don't have to convince you, the rising temperatures and waters will do that far more effectively than I ever could. Enjoy!

PS: As just another cowardly liberal (according to you) I would like everyone to note that you have not told us about your courageous millitary service. Or do you just brag and call other people cowards without bellying-up to the bar and serving your country on the front line like many of us "cowards" have?

Beer · #47 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

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Originally Posted by steveox

I think they should have the right to deny you any insurance if youre gay.Like Health Insurance for example. If your dumb enough to know the risk of AIDS because of homosexual behavor then you know whats comming for ya. Theyre manny ways to find out of youre gay.Like the doctor can ask you do you have a partner like a girlfriend? and you say yes,,Then you doctor says whats her name you say Jimmy.He can say wait here sec, Then He calls the insurance company and tells him youre gay.Then youll get a notice in the mail you have been cancelled.Or when you file an insurance application and your file your spouces name as a male when youre a male then youre denied. So i think insurance should deny you if youre gay.

I thought they could and I thought many did. It would be best to ask: what CANT Insurance companies do?

Beer · #48 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

Here's a fact someone may not know:

Gay men are not allowed, by law, to donate blood to the American public.
Actually, let me clarify: Gay men who have had sex with another man, are not allowed to give blood per the FDA.

FDA Committee Votes Against Relaxing Donor Ban

emptypepsi · #49 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

Not that I agree with the blood donation ban for gays, but there's a degree of rationale there that I'd be ready to at least entertain beyond two sentences.

To suggest that one should deny coverage to someone because they are gay because "they know the AIDS risk" is simply too much. Again, if someone is overweight then they are at multiple risks for many diseases and life threatening states. Plus, I mean - we all know those fat people are just lazy slobs who will go to the doctor for anything and everything, right? And those damn smokers -- geez, who are we kidding, right?

pramjockey · #50 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Beer

Here's a fact someone may not know:

Gay men are not allowed, by law, to donate blood to the American public.
Actually, let me clarify: Gay men who have had sex with another man, are not allowed to give blood per the FDA.

FDA Committee Votes Against Relaxing Donor Ban

Yep. Hell, you can't even give blood for a full year after getting a tattoo or piercing. Sucks, too, 'cause they like my blood type.

todd93 · #51 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

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Originally Posted by Western Otto

No proof? Do you live under a rock?

No, I most certainly do not.

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I'm always intrigued by people who deny not only the existence of global warming, but maintain as well that there is no proof. To substantiate the claim that there is no proof seems to postulate a conspiracy of global proportions and the ability of the conspirators to accomplish amazing feats of legerdemain such as uncovering land that has been covered in ice for thousands of years (Greenland and Antarctica), massive reduction of glaciers EVERYWHERE around the planet (according to everybody's satellite photos and land-based reseach), shifts in animal habitats and migration patterns all over the world, slowing of the giant ocean currents, the inundation of the Tuvalu Islands (Tuvalu Islands Home Page), and the list goes on and on. All of this is lies? Do you know how many people it would take to hoax this stuff all over the world? In my lifetime I have seen changes in the place where I have lived almost all my life (50 years). The apple crops have moved north because our winters are no longer cold enough for them and new warmer weather crops are being grown in their stead. Polar bears must be in on the hoax as well since they are now drowning and starving as the ice floes diminish.

I didn't say that the earth isn't warming. The earth goes through natural warming and cooling cycles, that is very well known. The fact is we're in one of those cycles right now. The problem is people who think humans can cause this. It's an absurd claim backed up by lies and fabrications in order to put forth a Liberal agenda. The truth of the matter is that the earth was designed to be able to handle anything us humans can dish out, there is no way humans can destroy the earth using earthly materials. It ain't gonna happen.

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Yep, I guess there isn't any evidence--under your rock--but denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Wow, how original of you.

Western Otto · #52 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

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Originally Posted by todd93

No, I most certainly do not.I didn't say that the earth isn't warming. The earth goes through natural warming and cooling cycles, that is very well known. The fact is we're in one of those cycles right now. The problem is people who think humans can cause this. It's an absurd claim backed up by lies and fabrications in order to put forth a Liberal agenda. The truth of the matter is that the earth was designed to be able to handle anything us humans can dish out, there is no way humans can destroy the earth using earthly materials. It ain't gonna happen. Wow, how original of you.

You need to read more science, todd, just like calling me a coward, you are talking before you have the facts. Nip on over to the Environmental section and read what people like Onon are writing.

I'm really curious where in the world you got the idea that you put forward in the bolded section of your post. I haven't heard anybody pushing that concept since sometime in the last century. You need to read a LOT more science, kiddo.

I'm intrigued by what the "liberal agenda" is that can be accomplished by hoaxing global warming. Man oh man, those liberals must be scary powerful people if they can orchestrate a global hoax and enlist the support of almost every reputable scientist on Earth.

metalted · #53 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007

Todd... there is no point in trying to fight against the global warming agenda... its futile.. what exactly are you fighting for? the corporations right to abuse the planets resources? Our right to be enslaved by middle east oil? Our right to create smog infested cities?.... what is the point?

todd93 · #54 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

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Originally Posted by Western Otto

You need to read more science, todd, just like calling me a coward, you are talking before you have the facts. Nip on over to the Environmental section and read what people like Onon are writing.

I didn't call you a coward, and I have read stuff written by Michael Crichton which pretty much knocks the theory that we cause global warming down.

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I'm really curious where in the world you got the idea that you put forward in the bolded section of your post. I haven't heard anybody pushing that concept since sometime in the last century. You need to read a LOT more science, kiddo.

Well, Junior, I can tell you that the earth was created and designed to be able to clean this stuff up, simple as that.

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I'm intrigued by what the "liberal agenda" is that can be accomplished by hoaxing global warming. Man oh man, those liberals must be scary powerful people if they can orchestrate a global hoax and enlist the support of almost every reputable scientist on Earth.

Well, they are excellent at trying to scare people over nothing. I have yet to see reputable scientists argue and debate the issue, all they throw at us are idiots like Algore, and people who have no idea of what they're talking about.

todd93 · #55 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

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Originally Posted by metalted

Todd... there is no point in trying to fight against the global warming agenda... its futile.. what exactly are you fighting for? the corporations right to abuse the planets resources? Our right to be enslaved by middle east oil? Our right to create smog infested cities?.... what is the point?

Whatever, I could easily fight the global warming crowd all day, but I've gotten away from the subject here. Kinetic has had some great posts on the subject, and there is a thread on this board dedicated to it.

SMadsen · #56 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

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Originally Posted by todd93

Whatever, I could easily fight the global warming crowd all day, but I've gotten away from the subject here. Kinetic has had some great posts on the subject, and there is a thread on this board dedicated to it.

Dang! I was eagerly waiting for a reply to this one. I've often wondered what the point is of trying to refute that humans can make a global impact on the environment of this planet.

Are you sure you don't wish to share your thoughts on this one, Todd93?

todd93 · #57 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

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Dang! I was eagerly waiting for a reply to this one. I've often wondered what the point is of trying to refute that humans can make a global impact on the environment of this planet.

Are you sure you don't wish to share your thoughts on this one, Todd93?

I can, I have yet to see any evidence of humans actually causing it. I also have yet to see a threat of global warming doing damage, or killing anybody. History is on my side in this, there have always been warming and cooling cycles much MUCH worse than the warming cycle we're in, that can't be refuted or blamed on humans. Frankly, I'd like to hear how we can destroy the earth using earthly materials.

Western Otto · #58 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

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I didn't call you a coward, and I have read stuff written by Michael Crichton which pretty much knocks the theory that we cause global warming down.You called me a liberal and labeled all liberals as cowards. It always amazes me that people will take a work of fiction and decide it's true. The Da Vinci Code and State of Fear are both works of fiction. Crichton is one of my favorite authors, but you need to realize that his book was a work of fiction--read some real science. Despite all the bad press, Al Gore made some good points in his movie. While not completely accurate, he was much closer to the truth than State of Fear.

Well, Junior, I can tell you that the earth was created and designed to be able to clean this stuff up, simple as that.Okay, I figured that was coming, the opiate of the people.

Well, they are excellent at trying to scare people over nothing. I have yet to see reputable scientists argue and debate the issue, all they throw at us are idiots like Algore, and people who have no idea of what they're talking about.

Like I said, you need to read a lot more science. You still didn't give any possible reason for liberals to stage such a huge hoax--what do they gain?

Mrs. M · #59 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

How did this thread go from insurance companies and gays to global warming???????

todd93 · #60 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007

Algore was more accurate than someone who actually did the research and warned us of politicized science? Anytime you politicize science, you're looking for trouble. Algore mentioned a "consensus" of scientists in his movie (which bombed anyway). A consensus means nothing if they don't have the scientific data to back it up, and they don't. They just have a "consensus" which, just like pretty much everything that comes out of Algores mouth, it's pretty well useless.

I'm sorry about the coward thing, but Liberal and coward (mainly because of the Liberal fear-mongering about the war on terror) are starting to mean the same thing.

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Like I said, you need to read a lot more science. You still didn't give any possible reason for liberals to stage such a huge hoax--what do they gain?

Liberals win elections by playing on peoples fears, they need victims to promote their socialist agenda. Simple as that.

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