So, let's say your wife was to publicily make the same comments she makes about you in private, then that wouldn't be considered insulting?

If yes, why? Because PC sees your group as needing special protection?

I am a White Male, there is nothing about my group that is afforded any PC protections. If the comments I make to my wife were public they would be considered insulting. If the comments my wife makes to me were made public they would be considered sitcom material.

I know your white. If the comments your wife made to you were made public, I would think whites would find it offensive, would they not? And if so, the same logic about not saying something offensive to the white race would apply (why should it be one sided?).

I'm just saying that I didnt agree with your logic there re: the PC people ...

hahahaha how did you know I'm white??? Just an assumption?

Well anyways.... The things she says are not directed as an insult, just jokes etc. I as a white person don't find anything she says offensive, nor do I think they would be considered offensive by the Public since its not a 'special group'.

The situation is reversed when I speak about her, since the comments are coming from a white male and are directed a 'special group'. Now she doesn't take offense to them because we are equals. However the general public would most likely take offense because these 'special groups' are not considered equal, thus the veiled offensivness of PC.

I dont see any "special groups" besides the kids in special olympics.
You cannot go around calling the "special" kids retards simply because that is what they are. They have Downs Syndrome. They are retarded. But, it is nice to tell them they cant do something because they are retarded?
Ide argue they cannot do certain things beyond their capacity for safety. This is much easier to say than, "you cant do it because you are retarded."
In such case, you have taken the assumption that the retarded person understands that their syndrome removes them from being able to do whatever it is you think retarded people can do. If it is PC for me to say to them, "you cant do so because you may hurt yourself", then so be it


In the case of women, you want to be able to say, "You cant do this because you are a woman." Which is totally wrong. I know some women who have done fitness all their life and could probably punch a hole through me if they wanted to. If it is PC to tell them, "You cannot do this because you do not have the strength to", then so be it. People deserve more explanations beyond common characteristics.

Just my thoughts.

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right but most people don't like being treated like retards. In my oppinion true equality is when people of all backgrounds can get togethor and tell racist jokes and laugh at all of them, and at themselves.

Most agree to this point. Racist jokes can be funny.
What some fear is the underhanded, passive-aggressive tendency's of those who use racist jokes as a means to underhandedly attack another group.
Understanding there is a time/place for such jokes makes it all ok IMO.

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Educated guess based on how you type and what you say.

I'm sure the things either one of you say are not meant as an insult ... I also understand what you are trying to say about "special group".

I just meant that I don't agree with PC only working for special groups - I think it should be for everyone - every group.

If you want to argue that everyone should be polite and consider everyones opinions then I would agree with you. That is just plain old fashioned good manners not Political Correctness.

Political Correctness is Political because of its emphesis of 'special groups'.

Agreed. Plus, IMO, the "special groups" should try and respect the feelings of the "non-special" group, and vice versa. It shouldn't be a one way street, however, it sometimes is ...

Of course, it doesnt work this way in real life for many reasons so I guess I'm being idealistic on this one ...

Agreed ...

I agree with what you say, but by saying that everyone should treat everyone with respect you arn't talking about PC, your just talking about good manners.

I am called a bigot and hater everyday because I oppose the destruction of marriage in the US. I actually oppose it's destuction in Europe but I have no clout there. Socialist Europe is toast.

However, it is the primary debate technique to call me a bigot or hater even though, I am neither. This is accepted as the normal course of discussion on the issue of homosexual conduct since anyone who objects or claims that it is immoral are basically verbally bashed post after post. Yet, I don't engage in this behavior myself and it's not because I am being PC but have long ago figured out tht I would look the worse for verbally bashing someone. I would appear like a fool for name-calling. I would be seen as if I didn't have any moral character if I laced f-bombs throughout my posts.

There is a lack of shame by many. Just because we HAVE free speech doesn't mean that obscenity or name-calling OK.

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United We Stand.

So, just on the off chance that Europe doesn't collapse in the near future, what are you going to do?

What would it take for you to actually admit you were wrong on something?

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When they come a wull staun ma groon
Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

When did your shame ever kick in and prevent you from calling me all the things underlined above?

I know that you will dodge or deny all the things I have written just as you have done to everyone who has written to you, this is also part of the reason you are called a bigot. You are so completely absorbed in your own "rightness" that you cannot even conceive that others might have a right to be different from you without incurring your religious condemnation and holy wrath. Jesus would never have bludgeoned people the way you do so casually.

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The apocalypse is coming... we're gonna need more ammo.

I doubt that Kinetic CAN admit he's wrong, he is so invested in being RIGHT that I don't think he would be able to admit error. I hope I'm wrong and I would like to give him the chance to prove me wrong--but I'm not going to hold my breath because I don't look good when I'm blue.

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The apocalypse is coming... we're gonna need more ammo.