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So, just on the off chance that Europe doesn't collapse in the near future, what are you going to do?
It has collapsed already. Did you even read my post? Does it even matter that biological mothers and fathers that are married do not raise children any longer, that divorce has risen even though heterosexuals aren't getting married and the birth rate is an abomination? Europe is toast doesn't mean that it's going to be some day. They are already there. That's was Socialism does. Destroys entire cultures.
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I have admitted to being wrong. When do you plan to?
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It has collapsed already. Did you even read my post? Does it even matter that biological mothers and fathers that are married do not raise children any longer, that divorce has risen even though heterosexuals aren't getting married and the birth rate is an abomination? Europe is toast doesn't mean that it's going to be some day. They are already there. That's was Socialism does. Destroys entire cultures.I have admitted to being wrong. When do you plan to?
How does socialism, an economic theory, have anything to do with gay marriage? Also, just because you don't approve, how does that indicate that Europe is "toast?" Is it economically struggling? Nope, Euro seems fine. Is it caught in the ravages of war? Nope. Are the people suffering? Not relative to any other region of the planet.


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I agree with what you say, but by saying that everyone should treat everyone with respect you arn't talking about PC, your just talking about good manners.
I guess not. Sorry, didnt mean to derail the topic in that case ...
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How does socialism, an economic theory, have anything to do with gay marriage?
That would be more easily answered by the Socialists who promote homosexual conduct.
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Democratic rights and the struggle for socialism
We defend the unrestricted right of women to abortion on demand and uphold the right of gay people to marry . . .SOCIALIST EQUALITY PARTY
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ap...stat-a28.shtml

Full Equality and Liberation
Capitalism divides the working class, based on sexual, racial and national distinctions. Black liberation, women’s liberation and lesbian and gay liberation are essential to socialist revolution and impossible without it. We fight for real social, economic and political equality for women and for an end to discrimination against lesbians and gays.
INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIST ORGANIZATION
http://www.internationalsocialist.or...ewestand.shtml

THE STRUGGLE FOR GAY AND LESBIAN RIGHTS!
Gay marriage
Why should gays and lesbians not have the same rights as heterosexuals?
Behind the attack on gay marriage
Socialist Worker looks at the roots of the right wing’s offensive
We won’t accept any "separate but equal" compromises
Birth of a new movement for civil rights
THE SOCIALISTS WORKER!
http://www.socialistworker.org/Featured/GayRights.shtml

DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM - LESBIAN and GAY LIBERATION
1. Educating Children in our schools on lesbian and gay concerns and on the equal validity of same sex and opposite sex attractions; let the cycle of homophobia be broken with this generation.
SOCIALIST PARTY USA
http://sp-usa.org/literature/lesbiangay-flyer.pdf

FREEDOM SOCIALIST PARTY - RADICAL WOMEN!!
This trailblazing socialist feminist organization is the revolutionary wing of the women's movement and a strong feminist voice within the Left. Immersed in the daily fight against racism, sexism, homophobia, and labor exploitation, Radical Women views women's leadership as decisive to world revolution . . . vast ranks of militant women from the working class, especially women of color and lesbians.
http://www.socialism.com/

Socialist Party Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender group
Thousands of people took to the streets last Saturday for London's gay Pride. The Socialist Party Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) Group and the youth group International Socialist Resistance (ISR) marched on the parade and distributed leaflets that were part of a joint campaign against homophobic bullying.
SOCIALISTS FOR PRIDE
http://www.socialistparty.org.uk/200...tml?id=np8.htm

Communist Party of Canada
"Another important advance over the last year has been the movement for marriage rights and other forms oflegal recognition for same-sex couples. Once again we condemn Parliament's definition of marriage as "a union between a man and a woman."
http://www.communist-party.ca/news/...1/equalnjus.htm

The false debate on gay marriage:
Personal emancipation impossible under capitalism
"Many radicals, and even some self-described Marxists, have been at the forefront of the movement advocating for the legal recognition of same-sex marriage."
http://www.internationalism.org/inte...y_marriage.htm

Midwest Socialist Conference
Resisting US Empire!!
Separate is not equal—the fight for gay marriage
http://www.campusactivism.org/displayevent-395.htm

Lesbian Socialist Journalist Deserves Her Bias
In an August 20 essay appearing in the Sioux City Journal, syndicated columnist Bonnie Erbe discusses the unfolding story of a journalist who had been stripped of her writing duties because she campaigns for lesbian and gay rights in her off-time and is a registered member of the Freedom Socialist Party.
http://www.glaad.org/publications/ar...il.php?id=2353

Making marriage laws indifferent as to gender.
• Repealing all censorship laws.
• Defending the rights of gay and lesbian refugees and couples in immigration and removing HIV from the health test for visas.
• Defending and extending gay and lesbian programs on national and community broadcasting.
• Funding for lesbian and gay community-based information and education programs.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS AGENDA AND POLICY
http://www.dsp.org.au/ds/lesgay.htm

EVERYTHING YOU EVER WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT ANARCY
"The women's movement also illustrates another promising development the tendency to organise in small groups and collectives. Other movements, such as parts of the gay movement, claimants unions, squatters, self-help health groups, and so oil, are good for the same reason."
http://www.totse.com/en/politics/ana...g_anarchy.html

MARXISTS CRITIQUE - SOCIALISM AND THE POLITICS OF GAYS AND LESBIANS
"Gay and lesbian liberation must become more thoroughly, militantly, and sophisticatedly radical in order to enable gays and lesbians to struggle successfully against heterosexism and homophobia. Gay and lesbian liberation must fight against the forces which oppress gays and lesbians by pushing forward what gay and lesbian liberation uniquely has to offer towards the progressive development . . . emergence of proto-communist modes of sexual community and culture."
http://www.etext.org/Politics/Altern...v1n5_msp5.html

Socialist Party of the USA - Educate Children on Lesbian and Gay
"1. Educating Children in our schools on lesbian and gay concerns and on the
equal validity of same sex and opposite sex attractions; let the cycle of homophobia be broken with this generation.
2. Supporting and defending our gay and lesbian youth.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM - GAY AND LESBIAN LIBERATION!
http://sp-usa.org/literature/lesbiangay-flyer.pdf

Socialists rally behind gay marriage
PARIS, May 11 (AFP) - France's opposition Socialists, spurred on by their allies in the Greens party - one of whom plans to celebrate France's first gay marriage next month - on Tuesday urged the French to back homosexual marriage.
Socialist party leader Francois Hollande told AFP he would ask his party to file a draft law that would put civil marriage on France's statute books, no matter what the gender of the two people asking to be married.
"Every society should be organised on the principle of equal rights and
respect. As a result, marriage should be open to everybody," Hollande said.
http://www.expatica.com/source/site...8&story_id=7488

Gay pride: Moving forward, remembering the past
"There are many things that can divide the movements – homophobia, anti-communism, racism and male supremacy, just to name a few.
http://www.pww.org/article/view/1454/1/94/

Honor for Gay Rights Activist
Advisory Council for the City Center wants an Ulrichs-Square
After a history lesson, the representatives of several political parties (christian democrats, socialists, greens, and communists), agreed unanimously to dub a long-time unnamed square in Ostertor near the Café Engel "Ulrichsplatz".
http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/celebra...bremeneng.html

Marxism Against Postmodernism in Educational Theory
"Beyond simply resurrecting a modernist Marxism for the new millennium, the authors thoughtfully incorporate lessons we on the educational Left have learned from feminism, anti-racist theory and struggles, indigenous knowledge, and anti-homophobic theory and struggles, in pursuit of a new radicalism for these times of ultra-exploitation.
http://www.ieps.org.uk.cwc.net/marxreviews.html

Walt Brown (Socialist USA) Volunteer attorney, Consumer Justice Alliance.
Minority Issues: Brown is a member of the NAACP. We strongly support affirmative action, civil rights, and anti-discrimination laws and programs to end institutional racism. We call for the repeal of all sodomy laws and anti-lesbian and gay restrictions, and the legalization of same-sex unions.
http://selectsmart.com/president/Socialist.html

Same-Sex Marriage
Moreover, they hold, marriage has little to do with religion. While they often intersect, they are not dependent in any way. (Refer to the above commentary.) Men and women of no particular faith or god can and do join in marriage. Since marriage is not governed by any religious authority when it comes to “straights,” why shouldn’t it be the same for gays?
http://www.socialistviewpoint.org/j...july_04_27.html

The International Communist League
For the Right of Gay Marriage...and Divorce!
Marriage and the Capitalist State
Workers Vanguard
“Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.
“On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution. “The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.”
—Communist Manifesto (1848)

“The family structure—whether monogamous or polygamous—necessarily oppresses women. As Marxists we understand that the family serves a real social purpose and cannot simply be ‘abolished,’ even in a workers state, but must be replaced with alternate social institutions.”
http://www.icl-fi.org/ENGLISH/2004/GayMarriage-824.html

United action needed to repeal same-sex marriage ban
Pursuing only de facto couples' rights would be a mistake because this means leaving the marriage ban unchallenged. The Marriage Amendment Bill wound back the our rights by deliberately excluding us from the legal and social rights enjoyed by heterosexuals. Ignoring a repeal campaign on the marriage ban would be a travesty. United national action, rallies and forums is what we need to get this bill off the books and win full equality for [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and intersex] people.
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2004/596/596p9b.htm

PHOENIX ANARCHIST COALITION
There was a call put out for "all Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgendered, Queers of color, Drag Queens, Sex Radicals, Political Militants, and ALL OTHERS being excluded from "traditional" culture to meet for a peaceful march and demonstration of protest outside of the Presidential Debate." Meet with everyone else at Daley Park at 3pm.
http://www.phoenixanarchist.org/modu...atid=&topic=17

International Socialists/Socialist Workers Party
Black liberation, women's liberation and lesbian and gay liberation are essential to socialist revolution and impossible without it.
We fight for real, social, economic and political equality for women and for an end to discrimination against lesbians and gays, and youth. We support the struggles of all oppressed groups against any form of discrimination.
http://www.socialister.dk/english/standist.htm

Keep the Juices Flowing
Sex, and enjoying it, is natural, it's a major part of our lives. When we have consenting sex, with however many partners, male, female, gay, straight or bisexual, why shouldn't it be with passion, pride, excitement and experimentation? If no one is hurt or exploited, if power isn't used over another, then our sex is just that - our own.
It's in the interests of all our class to discuss sex and sexuality, to control our own bodies, and to learn lessons about what's good and what's not. Good medical advice aside, the moralists, politicians and middle classes have no right to hinder us or intefere.
The Spunk Library collects and distributes literature in electronic format, with an emphasis on anarchism and related issues.
http://www.spunk.org/library/sex/sp001711.html

Female Bonding And Lesbian Identity
In this chapter, I will be arguing that lesbian practices in relation both to popular and counter-cinemas in the 1970s and 1980s were produced, primarily, in discourses of lesbian feminism. I shall not be attempting any comprehensive overview of feminist theory and politics, however; nor, to address the broad range of feminist engagements with Marxism.
http://home.clara.net/pgraham/bklst.htm

A Socialist Approach to the Bill of Rights
The constitution of the GDR abolished the concept of illegitimacy, [a key ideological weapon of the ultra-right] and guaranteed homosexual rights long before the modern LGBT rights movement.
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/94/1/67/

CLASS DIVISIONS IN THE GAY COMMUNITY
At the same time alternatives to Marxism are in crisis. The gay movement, as any sort of radical coherent force, collapsed into the reformism of the Labour left in the 1980s. That has been followed by an even more stark collapse of its ideas. No sooner had identity politics and the tactics of groups like Queer Nation in the US and OutRage! Consequently, Marxism can find a ready audience among gays and lesbians
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org...j78/morgan.htm

Civil partnership law stalled
Socialists and progressive people should expose the hypocritical nature of those who are say they are widening the legislation when they have no intention of doing so.
Workers' Liberty
http://www.workersliberty.org/node/view/2340

Behind the attack on gay marriage
Socialists are for the full liberation of women and gays. Full sexual freedom is a precondition for genuine human liberation. The fight for gay marriage should be linked to the fight for national health care and abortion rights
http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-...dAttacks.shtml

League for the Revolutionary Party (LRP)
Communist Organization for the Fourth International (COFI)
Defend Gay Marriage
The right of gays and lesbians to marry is moving to the front line in the long struggle for gay rights. The increasingly reactionary character of our ruling class, and its mounting defense of conservative social and religious institutions, dictate a showdown.
http://www.lrp-cofi.org/PR/gay_marriagePR70.html

INTERNATIONAL COMMUNIST CURRENT
The false debate on gay marriage: Personal emancipation impossible under capitalism
Many radicals, and even some self-described Marxists, have been at the forefront of the movement advocating for the legal recognition of same-sex marriage.
http://www.internationalism.org/inte...y_marriage.htm

Communist Party of Great Britain
Homosexuals have often been scapegoated or persecuted. They can be portrayed as deviants who threaten the family - the basic economic unit of capitalist society. Homosexual rights is therefore a key demand.
Homophobic attitudes divide the working class and aid those advocating the authoritarian state.
http://www.cpgb.org.uk/documents/cpgb/prog_demands.html

Permanent Revolution in the U.S. Today
Speeches by Freedom Socialist Party delegates to the
Trotskyist and Revolutionary Socialist Conference,
San Francisco, November 30-December 1, 1985
Among the topics up for discussion at the conference were the reasons for the degeneration of the SWP; the coming American Revolution and the role of Trotskyists within it; the centrality of feminism and lesbian/gay liberation in our time. The Freedom Socialist Party (FSP)--which left the SWP in part because the SWP refused to place women's emancipation on the level of a first-class . .
Our analysis of gay and lesbian oppression is based upon the Marxist theory expounded by Engels in The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State.
http://socialism.com/library/perm1.html

Untying the Knots: Marriage Equality and the Struggle for Civil Rights
The most successful defense against the attacks on our civil rights is to recognize the connections between our struggles and our different communities. As the LGBT movement works for marriage equality, we need to also fight for the rights of immigrant families, and at the same time, need to challenge the use of marriage as a weapon against low-income women and their children.
http://auto_sol.tao.ca/node/view/762
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Also, just because you don't approve, how does that indicate that Europe is "toast?" Is it economically struggling? Nope, Euro seems fine. Is it caught in the ravages of war? Nope. Are the people suffering? Not relative to any other region of the planet.
European Socialism has destroyed the family as biological mothers and fathers married raising children and decimated the birth rate by promoting homosexal conduct as moral behavior.
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Oh, I've admitted to being wrong many times. I have yet to see you do it.
When I am wrong I admit it. It's impossible to be right 100% of the time.
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When I am wrong I admit it.
Can you point out even ONE instance when you admitted you were wrong on anything?
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Can you point out even ONE instance when you admitted you were wrong on anything?
I attributed a quote to Steve when it belonged to another contributor. I apologized. Steve didn't accept it.

Speaking of hypersensitivity however, I recall you being overly sensitive to the definition of Taqiyya or holy lying.
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I attributed a quote to Steve when it belonged to another contributor. I apologized. Steve didn't accept it.
I don't recall where you did this ... Perhaps you could quote yourself or point me to the URL? Thanks a lot.

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Speaking of hypersensitivity however, I recall you being overly sensitive to the definition of Taqiyya or holy lying.
Your definition is incorrect, but why bring it up yet again?
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