No, but I am quick to point out bullshit when I see it. If you see that as "anger", well, I can't help you. I rarely actually get angry and, when I do, it sure as Hell won't be due to anything I read on an internet forum...

At last count, you have given me exactly zero reasons to do so...

I can assure you that god has nothing to do with my marriage, nor has he in the past...

You made this statement:

Besides, if the Founding Fathers wanted gays to marry, they would've written that specifically in the Constitution.

My point is that the right to a credit report isn't written into the Constitution either. Yet, people get a free copy of it every day.

You make the argument that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed because it's not provided for in the Constitution. It's a weak argument, at best, because the right to a free copy of your credit report isn't provided for in the Constitution, either...

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todd and Steve,
The constitution does not define marriage nor guarantee the right to marriage nor deny marriage to anyone. It is unaddressed quite specifically as it is viewed as one of the innumerable inalienable rights of man (the species not the sex).

I believe this is what Steve was attempting to impart. Just thought I'd try and clear it up.

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Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

These "rights" as you call it to marry the same sex need to be defined in a state by state vote. Even if they're legal, it doesn't make them right. For example, if there are laws that require me to do something completely opposite of what the Bible teaches, then i don't have to follow them. Not saying gay marriage is a requirement, I know how easily I'm taken out of context here, what I'm saying is the Founders had faith that we wouldn't make the error of taking God out of Government, that was never their intension, with that being said, our laws should follow the teachings in the Bible, that's what the country was founded on.

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That's good to know.

I have also given you zero reasons not to.

I'm sure he doesn't

Your analogy is not making sense to me. The right to privacy grants us the right to see documents such as credit reports.

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Todd and Steve,

Perhaps you could find another thread in which to hash it out? MareTranquility started this one as a way we might get to know a little more about each other. There are several threads on the board where you can have a back and forth about the "gay marriage" issue, but doing it here is both off topic and disrespectful of the OP. Thanks.

Word. There have been SO many back-and forth threads on this topic. One more will produce nothing except a dilution of the understanding that we may actually be able to extract about each other here.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
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True, that. But Johnny is right about protecting the intent of Mare's thread. Even if Mare exhibited a transgression too, that was no excuse for the rest of us. My apologies.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

21 years old student, doing both computer science (currently in 4th year) and philosophy (currently in 1st year). I am a member of 2 students association (I teach Go for one, and I deal with international contacts for the other), and all that is so time consuming that I don't really have time to work on getting my driving licence . For some reason, I still find time to hang around here .

Not having a driving licence is not a big problem as I live in Paris. I have spent most of my life in Paris or its neighbourhoods, living in my parents' home (it sucks, but it's way cheaper). Important experiences in my life were to live for 4 months in London with a bad english and to do summer jobs. Being an "immigrant" is not easy. I've been a floor cleaner in a psychiatric hospital, a seller in a big shop, a florist, a waiter, a telephone poller, a developper for the main french telecom company; these experiences teached me that the poor and the rich differ mainly by how much luck they had. Where you are born, with that skin color and those parents tells more about your future than "your essence", "who you really are". All these experiences were anodectical (a few months maximum), but eye opening.

From a moral standpoint... I don't really know where I am. I'm not going to comment on that one; it is too early for me. I'm an atheist, have had a humanist education and I'm trying to see how much of these morality I can "deconstruct", while I don't really want to lose it. Philosophic stuff... In action, I guess I behave like most people who have a humanist education: like a utilitarianist.

I've always liked rock concerts for their intensity and the possibility to lose your self in the middle of a crowd; possibly on drugs; it's our time's way of entering a transe, like all these tribes do around the world. Not something you want to do every night, but definitely good to do from time to time.

I like climbing, but sadly I have left that away since I already do a lot of things with my time. But also because I really feared for my life last time I went climbing. The sport that really defines me is skiing. Stop thinking about anything but the feeling of the fresh snow under your skis; the cold wind on your cheeks; the beauty of your own movement and of the mountains around you. I wish I could do that all the time.

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Tailor: But my dear Sir, my dear Sir, look at the world, and look at my trousers.
(Beckett)

Crap, I forgot politics. Shows that they really are not my first worry nor my main interest when I come to this forum - I usually spend my time here in the philosophy threads.

Politically, I'd be a moderate democrat in the USA. In France, I'm neither on the right nor on the left, or even the center; I just feel like I don't fit on that political spectrum. It's easier in the USA... because with two political parties, one's gotta be better than the other. With 10...you feel like they're all wrong on at least one essential issue.

I tend to support the right to abort before three months (call that being 'pro-choice' if you're afraid of words), euthanasia for those who agree with it and can't do it themselves, and I don't mind the death penalty. I don't really mind whatever homosexuals do to one another, so I (rather passively I must admit) support their rights. I eat animals. On the whole, I'm for individual rights; however I'm concerned about a society which is slowly killing "the group" to transform it into "individuals"... How will I get the two ideals together? Good question.

Economy... damn economy. How can someone decide on these issues? I've had short lessons on the subject, and the only thing I remember now is that economy is boring and incomprehensible for the average man. Yet you have to vote about it. :/


(edit: do you really need to know bout that? ^^)

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Client: In six days, do you hear me, six days, God made the world. And you are not bloody well capable of making me a pair of trousers in three months!
Tailor: But my dear Sir, my dear Sir, look at the world, and look at my trousers.
(Beckett)

Really?

Perhaps you'd be kind enough to point out the words "credit report" in the Constitution.

Of course, I'm aware that's absurd.

Almost as absurd as you finding the analogy difficult to comprehend...

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Too late.

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...the government...is caving in...with their specious arguments couched in the...language of civil rights law, and that the churches ... likewise crumbling to...rhetoric which is nothing but heretical sophistry -- ~F Phelps
Platitudes like the one you offer are no different - and no less incorrect - than the jackass part-time Christian who says, "I'm going to heaven because I'm nice to people." It so misses the point.~Impugn

if its any consolation, my grandmother never got hers either.

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ive never asked myself: who are you.
but, thinking about it: i dont feel as though i should detail anything or offer any information.
just ask.

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ok, just realized the consequence of having several browser sessions open for the same page. void whichever posts dont make sense. thanks.

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You already know who I am and what I stand for. I am a Christian who supports many charities, believes in traditional marriage, opposes Socialism and Communism since I was like 17 years old or younger when I enlisted in the US Navy and served during the Vietnam War. I fear only God and have no hatred for anyone. There. You need more than that?

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