Do environmentalists scare you this much?
This scares me that weve got people so frightened by environmentalists, they support excessive regulations (while exempting developing countries including giant communist China from CO2 regulations).
Cmon. Be a man.

Kramer

actually you know what the funny thing is? My very first visit on here was to post my ideas on how to get OUT of iraq. Because I was rather indifferent to whole thing, and I knew we were not winning. I never had a real strong sense of patriotism before, But after talking to some of the disgusting anti american slime on here I have decided who I want to be associated with. I have always been indifferent to politics, but frankly liberals on this very site have disgusted me to such a degree that I have become pretty conservative.

It puzzles me that you would ask such a question because it demonstrates that you think you know what all liberals care about and have decided that their intentions are not in the best interests of the country.

There is more than one kind of strength, most people equate military might with strength, but having a sound, healthy population, well-fed and clothed, a solid infrastructure of roads and railways, good job base with modern manufacturing facilities, low poverty rates, near full employment, a low level of indebtedness to foreign powers, a sound fiscal policy and balanced budget, clean air and water, low inflation, well funded schools, money to spend on research (besides military), and above all a government supported by a united population would seem to be another way of strenghtening and insuring the well-being of the country, wouldn't it?

People have called me a liberal and I support all of the things I have listed above. I think the terrorist threat is vastly overblown and that spending our country into deficit Hell to bomb third world countries back into the stoneage is insane. Whatever we have accomplished in the Mid-East, one thing is for sure: we have managed to make a lot of otherwise non-committal people hate us with a passion, AND FOR WHAT? Osama is still running around loose, we've lost thousands of American lives and killed tens of thousands of people, for most of whom we have no evidence that they had any involvement at all in terrorist activity. Enough killing, you can't kill people into liking you and we cannot kill our enemies as fast as we are making them. We need to find a new way to deal with our enemies because this isn't working.

I care desperately about the strenght and well-being of our country, but I may not see strenght or well-being as the same things you do. (For instance I think that reinstating torture weakened our country because it lowered us to the level of our enemies just like George Washington said.) Does that make either one of us wrong? No, it just makes us all different and if we all work together we can be more than the sum of our individual parts--a gestalt.

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Many people speak their truth quietly while going about the business of making the world a better place, oft times you cannot hear them because of the wits and half-wits shouting at the top of their lungs.

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Pride in one's country is alright, but too often it becomes bellicose ethnocentrism, the "My dog is better than your dog," mentality making the patriot feel superior to all the people in other countries and therein lies the problem. Five thousand people killed here by terrorists is a tragedy, but having killed five hundred thousand people we are still not satisfied with the revenge--that suggests that we feel that those people's lives aren't as valuable as our are. How many more lives will we take? How many more will they take to get revenge on us? And how many more will we have to take to get revenge... Where does it stop? For 10,000 years people have been doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result--by definiton that's insanity. Time to find a new way, and rampant patriotism--there's or ours--doesn't help.

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I'm a conservative.

I love the environment and would like to preserve it but I am not obsessed about it like some extremists. I want to travel later on in life and I would like to see forrests, parks, mountains, trails, rivers, and other naturally beautiful areas.

I am against abortion except if the mothers life is in danger, or she was raped plus other special circumstances.

I still don't know about global warming.

I am against gay marriage. In fact I am against the government controlling marriage and the bedroom. I would prefer that there be some kind of civil unions between gay people and even heterosexuals, if those heterosexuals are not Christian or similar. Marriage was originally only a religous institution right?

I support capitalism but not 100% capitalism. I mean to say that there needs to be controls set by the government similar to what our economy is like today.

I am for stem cell research.

I am a Christian.

I want a large military like we have now and I think it should stay that way for a long time until certain things change.

I am against amnesty. The govt needs to either enforce current anti illegal immigration laws or build a complete wall protecting our borders.

I am against complete universal healthcare for all. I think covering basic healthcare for everyone would be fine but other things the patient should try to pay for. But children and other cases of people should have healthcare provider fully.

I think many homeless people need a break but I also know that many of them are lazy, drunks, drug addicts, etc... and so it is hard to decide how to help them. If I know that a certain homeless person has the ability to work and can do it without a doubt and live a better life without being hungry I will not help that person if they choose not to work. They have the right to life and death and I have the right not to help that person. I just wanted to throw out a quick scenario to describe how I think about that.

And I don't feel like writing anymore because I'm tired and need to get some sleep. I just wanted to let you see what some of "my" conservative values are.

Why I am not a liberal, in bold. But everything else sounds reasonable to me. But its still silly in my view, I wont vote for domestic issues ever again. Foriegn policy and strength of military, protection of the people are my top priorities, unfortuantly liberals fail to deliver just as you clearly state above.

ethnocentrist, huh, what exactly is the ethnicity of the USA? yes if peoplehurt me i wont to hurt them 10 times worse, sorry. another reason why I am not a liberal.

most important reason I am not a liberal, the sensible are not loud enough.

When liberals don't denounce what I view as stupidity, I view that as them agreeing with the insanity that is the radical left. All because you all agree on one thing, your hatred of Bush.

Thanks for the personal observations. Do you have anything to say on the topic of the thread?

Matt

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Ethnocentrism:1 : a habitual disposition to judge foreign peoples or groups by the standards and practices of one's own culture or ethnic group <this is the more usual form that ethnocentrism takes ... -- a gentle insistence on the good qualities of one's own group -- M.J.Herskovits>
2 : a tendency toward viewing alien cultures with disfavor and a resulting sense of inherent superiority <the ethnocentrism of national groups ... causes them to regard their culture as superior to that of all other nations...

From the Merriam Webster Unabridged Dictionary

As far as 10 to 1 revenge, we don't even know if the people we are killing are guilty. Punishing the people who did the deed may be considered justice, but killing 10 times as many with little regard for guilt or innocence is neither Conservative nor Liberal, it's stupid.

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More than you (see posts 33, 34, 35) and all of my posts have been germane and polite.

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This post by crnadan was what I was hoping a lot of people would post on the WHO ARE YOU? thread. Instead of crnadan being just a monochromatic, two-dimensional "Conservative" we now have him in 3-D, a much more rounded picture and a person with whom I could converse without as much risk of misunderstanding or rancor. We all live in this country and we need to find ways to get along with each other, having more information about people with different viewpoints helps in the process. I am liberal on some things and conservative on others, I suspect that most people are that way to some extent so let's look for the ways we are alike and work together to solve our common problems.

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I feel that way about both ends of the spectrum, not just liberals.

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