personally i could give a rats ass about "social progress." as long as no one is being prevented from getting ajob or being beaten up.

And so we come full circle Ted. It saddens me that you can so easily dismiss the loss of more troops, as nothing more than a "roll of the dice." As such, my retort to you and all that buy into such nonsense remains:

If you want gamble with lives, fine, just make sure it's your own that is at risk and not those of others.

In light of your stated lack of compassion for their deaths and sacrifices, you might want to reassess which of us it is who actually supports the troops and who sees them as expendable. And to think I put my life on the line for people like you.

so you want a complete and total withdrawl immediatly so no more soldiers die. regardless of the conseqences.. or do you think there will be none? What exactly do you immagine happening in the usa? in the middleast?

I actually think that your sacrifice and others like yourself, if the mission is successfull will save countless future soldiers lives. I think that if we were to leave that a huge civil war would break out in the middleeast huge amounts of terrorists will be born and any hope of that region westernizing and rejecting violence will become a distant memory. its not just me that thinks this, or "neo cons" or any one else.

I read on Al jazzerra that turkey was considering invading northern iraq to subdue the pkk (kurdish group fighting on border of iraq and turky) in event of a collapse. Turkey has demanded that USA not to leave iraq in a vaccum, and I think that is the correct answer. Whether we install dictator or not. of course theres also iran to worry about, and saudi arabia, and syria....every country in the world wants iraq to be a stable country. If we leave without that I predict that it will further erode our credibilty.

It is in the interests of the entire world to make this country stable. I am not trying to diminish the lives of the bravest. But that is what you signed up to do, that is to protect the country. I know this is a tough world and of course i will admit this was a mistake. I am sorry about the situation you were put in, but alot more soldiers are gonna die if it don' work.

Ted,Ted,Ted,Ted,Ted,

I'm not going to waste my time reanswering the same stuff again. Nor am I going respond to "strawman" arguments or words you put in my mouth.

Because I think you show the intellectual curiousity to want to know and a real interest in what's actually in the best interests of not only the USA, but the world, I'm posting this link just for you, Ted.

The Power of Nightmares 1 of 3 - Google Video

Please note that it's for the first part, parts two and three are linked on the right side of the page. Be forwarned, each part is about an hour long. Watch it, then consider what we are speaking of here. You might see things from a different perspective when you learn the history of where this all has come from.

Johnny K,
I thought your Power of Nightmares was good. I'd read much of that in other places but seeing it brought together in a historical context, with the simultaneous juxtaposition of the two separate movements was very interesting.

Both groups exhibit Kinetic-like absolute certainty about a myth. And that myth gives them the right to kill people who they have judged to be unworthy. The Crusades all over again, but with better weapons.

"Love thy neighbor as thyself." "Be the change you wish to see in the world." We need the Jesus's and Gandhi's now more than ever.

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Thanks Mare,

I can't tell you how often I find myself thinking, "The World could use some John Lennon right now."

The link, provided to me by a Canadian friend, really helps to put the whole series of seemingly unrelated events, into a perspective showing how they all have similar or exactly the same roots.

Get the word out. Turn all you know on to this link. Knowledge IS power. People NEED to know the story behind the lies and manipulations.

~~~POWER TO THE PEOPLE~~~

It's unfortunate but I think many people will not pay attention to the program, it's easier and feels safer to keep on believing the myths. If one gives up the myths then one is confronted with having to study and think and decide for themselves what's really going on. History shows us that few are willing to do that. Counting coup through partisan sniping and scapegoating is much easier and more fun.

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Mare,

I worry that you are right, but hope you are wrong. Regardless, if I am to sleep at night, I'll spend my energies as much as possible opening as many eyes as I can. Anything less would be immoral. It's too important. There's too much at stake. My grandchildren and theirs after that will be left with the legacy of either our actions or inactions to stop this plague on humanity.

Greetings and Felicitations,

I read the above quote with fascination. I find it amazing that a person who attaches himself, however loosely, with the conservative ideas would be willing to manipulate the system so much. You want to use your disease to get into a school and then you are willing to get it thrown out so you can join some fantasy version of the military in order to write heavy metal songs. Unless you are listening to Manowar, heavy metal music has very little to do with war and a great deal about being pissed off.
You speak, over and over again, about your immense talent, IQ and experience but plan to waste it.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely

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Hey somebody with brains! Nice to meet you

OK I have watched a good deal of the power of nightmares but seeing how there was 3 videos and the first was rather slow. I will tell you what i got out of it. tell me if i am missing any of it.

Some muslim guy thought American prosperity and freedom promotes individualism which is bad for the collective society. Because it creates selfish corruption. OK so people should be more like ants and bees with a collective mindset instead of individuals pursuing thier own dreams. Because individualism eventually leads to a break down in morality and eventually society.

Liberal ideology in america created more crime corruption drug use and babies out of wedlock yada yada yada.. liberals have created social decay, weakened american society because now people are less interested in the Collective good, and more interested in thier own selfish good.

Conservatives, much like the muslim guy above, tried to increase tensions with soviets to keep liberalism and social decay in check. And they tried to retain the hive mentality by telling the people that they are there for a greater good to face evil in the world before it gets to strong.

OK then heres a few problems i have, one does evil really exist in the world? or is kissenger right, no evil?

Are we supposed to go more toward the hive mentality or have more selfish social decay, which is worse?

Kissenger aparently supported the World government idea, An idea that is strongly opposed to by many conservatives and liberals alike. for fear being dominated and enslaved, or various other ideas, conspiracies. I view this little film as sort of an interesting conspiracy flick as well.

It appears the Bush seems to support a World gov idea, am I right or wrong? If so what catagory does that put bush in? the kisenger + fear group...?? ?



to many questions..

Your questions would require a book to adequately address and even if I did, half (or more) of the people would disagree with my answers. These are the huge philosophical questions that people have confronted (and run away from) for all of human history. There are no hard and fast answers unless you are willing to buy into someone else's program and let them tell you what the TRUTH really is--phone up Kinetic, he's into it big time. I suspect that you have the mental capacity to research these questions and come up with answers for yourself (the questions are: do you have the will to do the work necessary? And do you have the strength of character to live your OWN answers despite the onslaught of the Kinetic's of the world?)


There ARE too many questions and too many answers as well, that's why so many people are willing to give up their power and responsibility to someone who will make these decisions for them. Are you going to take responsibillity for yourself and do the work to necessary to make these decisions for yourself, or will you let someone else tell you what's right for you?

On a personal note (which will probably net me a storm of verbal abuse) I have decided to do as Gandhi said and "Be the change I wish to see in the world." My personal philosophy is Harm None, I practice non-violence (not pacifism) as best I can. There is soooo much pain, agony, suffering, killing, revenge, vengeance, and abuse in the world that I don't wish to add even the smallest amount more. I have been a vegan vegetarian for 27 years, I own no weapons, and no one need fear me. If this leads to my death at the hands of someone, then so be it. Jesus said that we should return good for evil and love others as ourselves--if people actually DID that the world would be a much nicer place in which to live. I try to do that every day, some days I succeed better than others, the most violent thing I do is write about contentious issues, but I never advocate violence and no one is required to read what I write.

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I think this video will bring more fascinating discussion then the topic itself. Personally I have always believed in a balance of views that make the ideal society. Meaning liberalism without conservatism is a disaster, and vice versa. In other words they are thier own "checks and balances," the problem is when one side gets to strong, or when both sides dead lock and achieve nothing. In my oppinion as i always say, every side has a little bit of truth to it.

Basically I have kind of always thought that social decay is a bad thing. One can argue that its the reason our schools are crappy, kids more interested in Rap and ipods then they are at getting an education. While kids in impoverished regions tend to be much more interested in learning. I am a product of social decay myself, my world is much more selfish and individualistic. And interestingly enough terrorism has made me become more conservative, more interested in the overall good of the world. So its not something I can easily discount.

But to think that most Christians want a world government is a little strange. Most conservatives seem to be fiercly against world government idea believing that it will destroy our nations identity yada yada yada.. i don't really know or understand the argument but i have heard it on the radio and from my dad.

My personal fears about world government, is that it will be a socialist government, in that the world will be expecting america to pay welffare to the huge population of the third world. which in my view would destroy the worlds economy by destorying american economy. And hence destorying all economies that rely on america. i fear that the world would look to america with jealousy and strip it of its resources.

Don't let all your decisions be based on fear, figure out what you think is RIGHT and then do it come Hell or highwater.

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with that said I wish congress would unite and back thier own decision that the majority of then supported in the first place, they all signed on to the war on iraq. And to me they are cowards when they agree with it, and when it goes badly they disagree and blame the republicans, when it is equally thier fault. And the American people are stupid enough to believe that the democrats are the anti war party. No they are the party that signs into war and runs away.

I agree that terrorism was overblown in that it was used as an excuse to go into iraq. September 11 was so dramatic and huge it was easy to over blow it, and immagine a huge conspiracy, vast terror group with nukes supported by forieng governments that had massive power and support of the people of the mideast. obviously i think we all know that this is not the case after so many years without a terrorist event. My fear is that iraq will become a huge terrorist state by dragging the entire region into war breeding new reasons for people to hate us.

Bush is not the successfull one of the two, ossama and bush. Bush has created a world and a country dissilusioned withitself. Ossama has inspired millions. Bush created doubt.

If we went isolationist, chances are we would become more individulistic, more morally corrupt. Liberals will continue to push the limits of what is socially acceptable to the point where there is nothing left to push, and conservatives will become isolated, eventually will no longer exist. (Sounds like europe to me.) But when the country is attacked or in grave danger will it reunite national fervor?