It might be good not to assume that all liberals or all conservatives are exactly true to the stereotype, if you can manage it.

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So what you're saying is that you aren't willing to sacrafice what you believe in? You "may" join the army? What's keeping you. They've upped the age from 35--->42, and they've lowered the academic standards so that a person with a 3rd grade intelligence can join. They'll even let people with felonies in. All obstacles have been removed. So you're saying you won't practice what you preach?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I was teaching Basic training in the early Fities (USAF the so called Cream of the Crop.) But they did the same thing then (guess which war that was) anyway, I had basic trainess who couldn't do third grade math (and College Grads who couldn't do sixth Grade math.)

Hey MetalTed,

Glad to see you're giving it chance. I know it's kinda long and somewhat dry at places, but I can't help but think that you'll thank yourself if you watch it through. This is stuff that will determine the quality of the rest of your generation's life.

All I'm asking from you, is to take note of the players in the game of "we know what's best for you" and how they manipulate the "pieces," the "props," and the "scenery." Do you think it's some "lucky coincidence" that those names who sat back 10,000 miles away and sent my generation off the die in the jungles, are now sending yours off to die in the desert?

I know you have questions, that my young friend, is a VERY, VERY good thing. Finish watching the program and I think some will be answered for you. Then ask the ones you still have. I don't claim to have all the answers, but there's others here, and the most powerful research tool ever known to man sitting in front of us. We can sure help each other look.

In some ways, you and I are more alike than you can know. I see myself in you. So I wanted to give you an insight as to where I'm coming from. Here's a treat for you (and me!) that is both relevent to our discussion and a taste of my tastes.

YouTube - War Pigs-Live Ozzfest

Enjoy!

alittle off topic, I haven't read all the responses yet but I want to pose a question to you all.

Is world peace a good thing?








After watching some of that video I got to thinking a few things. Assuming what I think is a reasonable assumption, that peace brings liberalism, liberalism brings social decay. And I will add Social decay brings violence and discontent.

Despite all our advances in science, prosperity we are among the least happy populations in the world, and among the happiest are the people living in the third world. What does this mean? Well I think that happiness comes from believing that each individual serves a higher purpose, being that to support a family you love, defending your country, or worshiping a god, striving to be self sufficent, powerfull. People want to know that thier life has some meaning.

Liberalism seeks to erode national pride, belief in god, families in favor of 'anything goes'. All these things help bring meaning to the individual. If there is world peace, in a society where everything is taken care of, no need to Strive for anything. What is left?

I believe that along with a 'god gene' we have been borne with some kind of desire to fight for what is right, atleast in our own minds, whether it be gay rights, or pro life, for jihad or against islamic extremism, or any number of things. If there was nothing left to fight for, to strive for would humanity serve no purpose?

My guess that in such a world crime would become atrocious, people would be joining suicide cults and misery and discontent will become rampant. an age of depression and addiction like no other. People would invent things to rebel against, but there would be nothing left to rebel for, except against some fabricated conspiracies.

But is that worse then war? or equal, or perhaps its better...either way...
do you think my assumption is wrong?

Yes.

Your assumption is horribly wrong. I don't know where you got these ideas, and it's unfortunate that your beliefs go that way.

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hey I am just trying to make sense of that video that johnny posted. It raised some interesting questions. Conservatives believe they need to wage war from time to time to keep liberalism in check. Now I am trying to figure out why.

To me this conspiracy theory has more credibility then the Oil one, because its much more complicated. Its hard for me to immagine a government that would be willing to put everything on the line to lower gass prices, even a dollar I am sure the population would be more then willing to absorb then to go to war. Or to increase profits for haliburton, which in the grand scheme of things holds no real value to anyone, not cheney not bush not the world. bush and cheney are already wealthy, why would they risk thier reputations on such a venture that really is not working that well...

This theory has more credibility to it, in that its not just a collection of rather stupid evidence, being that bush is an oil man, cheney was once in haliburton, haliburton is in iraq. But I do believe that oil is a side interest or an after thought to the invasion, just definently not main reason, it just does not add up.

For instance, My idea for foriegn policy..which would be to economically, industrial build up nations that are somewhat pro american in africa and south america. If i were president I might say it was to help the poor in the regions, but I would have some different agenda behind it, all of it designed to help america.
to increase power and strength to nations fighting against terrorism in africa, to provide counter balance in south america against leftist anti american governments. To ween off our dependence on chinese business. to help promote our ideology and our image. to gain eventuall benifit economically..
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My guess the invasion of iraq looked similar to those reasons, and maybe oil was in there, but it cant be a deciding factor.

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