What exactly are you conserving? It's not the enviornment. It's not our freedoms considering insistence from Bush that he has the authority to issue warrantless wiretaps and read our mail without warrants. It's not the integrity of our borders considering your lackadaisical approach. For the life of me I can't figure out why you call yourselves "conservatives".

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I care about the environment. But mostly my absolute biggest concern is the war on terror everything else can go either way domestically and I would not care. when its over I probably would no longer care about politics.

Why don't you call yourself a "generalist" rather than a liberal, reino?

It seems all you are capable of in the debate department is making these sweeping, silly generalizations.

Matt

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Obviously neither "conservative" nor "liberal" as they are used in politics today have any meaningful relationship to the dictionary definition of the words.

For instance
Most people call Al Sharpton a liberal. But he is certainly not "free from bigotry". In fact IMO he is a racist.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is a liberal. Is she any more "open to new ideas for progress" than Newt Gingrich was when he first took on that job?

There are lots of liberals here who are not "tolerant of the ideas . . . of others"

Liberals are just as wedded to their own "dogmas" as conservatives are. And I can remember arguing with an ardent gay rights enthusiast here who wanted public schools to engage in teaching moral values to our children. Of course he meant his moral values and was unconscious of the irony that a rabid homophobe and religious fanatic on the thread was arguing for that same "authoritarian" idea.

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Social conservatives are nerve wracking. They impose on themselves an exaggerated affliction which they use to lament about an "immoral" society.
In other words, they whine over anothers choices as if anothers choices are provocative or somehow damaging. For example: they marriage stuff. What does the union of two strangers have to do with YOU?
They will often say it defies 'tradition'. Their answer is to give less freedom to people simply because of something as subjective as 'tradition'.
Alot of conservatives simply need to learn to mind their own business and respect that americas a free nation, and is still somewhat of an experiment: a place where new things occur and new things are made. I dont want to go in a tangent but the ideals of "new", "better", "Faster" have made the USA a superpower. With the conservative mindset of TRADITION, were doomed to stasis, or nonmobility while other countries without the same inclination of 'tradition' (like China, for instance) would be the first to do things like clone human beings or worse; clone super-human beings (high capacity for IQ and strength).
Conservatives are, in a way, a threat to American progress.
Just my humble opinion, of course.

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Do you think Republicans who passed the bill for a 700 mile fence were conserving the integrity of our borders or was it half-assed? Do you think the Republicans who supported warrantless wiretaps truly cared about a strict interpretation of the Constitution or was their support based solely on blind support of the president?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

Do you think you can make generalized statements about the beliefs of every Republican based on some limited sampling?

Oh, wait, you do it every day.

Matt

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I've realized that Libertarians are the true conservatives. "Conservatives" in the American sense want to dominate our private lives and ensure big businesses thrive at all costs. Often if it means government intervention.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I have only heard three self-proclaimed conservatives speak out about the wiretapping program in a negative fashion. Did you know that you can get the general mood of a group by getting information from a limited sampling?

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I guess we should start cloning people before china does. lol
Why would china need to clone people? there are over a billion chinese. They have 1/6th of the entire population of the planet in thier borders.

why do liberals care about everything, But the strength and well being of the nation as a whole?

No, you really can't. But you can make yourself look quite silly trying.

Again - do you believe that every Republican supports wiretapping? How about every Republican minus the three you've identified?

Matt

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I support wire tapping of people from arab countries calling the us.

I believe that the vast majority of Republicans support warrantless wiretapping. I believe that the vast majority of Republicans would support the re-institution of slavery of George W. Bush said it was ok.

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Is our children learning? -George W. Bush

"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

I think your beliefs say a lot about you, reino. Sadly, none of it is good.

Matt

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