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By "pre-op" I assume you mean top surgery? Has he been on testosterone for long? A lot of transmen get on testosterone for a time before top surgery because it helps shrink the breasts and reduces the complexity of the surgery.

Give you friend some time, after he's been on testosterone for a year or two his voice will have deepened, his beard will start to grow, and he'll be bulking up muscularly--no one will suspect. Testosterone is amazingly powerful.
Yeah- and he's been on T for about a year, but he's...um...well endowed. So there's some significant discontinuity. And in this particular case I'm afraid I'm a bit of a worrier, and protective.
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Peggy Shaefer made the classic statement that "we don't believe in transsexuals," which is tantamount to saying we don't believe in color blindness or being left-handed.
I think I shall stop believing in assholes- will that make them all go away?
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I think I shall stop believing in assholes- will that make them all go away?
Give it a shot, never worked for me, but maybe you'll have better luck than I.
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Some girls like trucks, some like ballet, some prefer to mountain climb -

Some girls like to listen ballet on the cd player of her truck as she drives to her favorite climbing spot.
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I have afriend, who is so manish in appearance that people are amazed to find out she is a woman. She goes hunting, climbs mountans, has a very husky voice, etc. To my knowlege she is not a lesbian, but she does personify (physically) every Bull dyke I have ever know.. ( and I have known several)
Is she Transgendered? I don't know, tho I suspect so. But the thing is, It doesn't matter. whether she is or not. she is still a friend of mine.
Sexual orientation is a different matter than sexual identity. I'm moderately butch, short hair and all. I get mistaken for a guy from the back. From the front it's obvious. I've got bodaysious bosums. But I don't view myself as a man trapped in a woman's body. I like all my 2000 parts and think a man's equipment would be a pain to carry around. I am gay because I love women. But I'm OK being one too.
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Sexual orientation is a different matter than sexual identity. I'm moderately butch, short hair and all. I get mistaken for a guy from the back. From the front it's obvious. I've got bodaysious bosums. But I don't view myself as a man trapped in a woman's body. I like all my 2000 parts and think a man's equipment would be a pain to carry around. I am gay because I love women. But I'm OK being one too.
My younger daughter is transgendered. She haws insisted that she was a boy since she was a toddler and able to speak. She gets mistaken for a boy, even though she's....well endowed in a way boys aren't. Even her teachers have assumed she was a boy, despite having a female name. As for sexuality - she's bi.

The fact is, all her life she has - inside herself - known she was male. This was long before most kids are even making that distinction. She does not intend to have sugery - female to male has far less surgical options and none of them are all that great. However, if she woke up male one morning, she would be thrilled.
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I thought you knew that transsexualism was a treatable mental illness until mid 70’s publishing’s by 60’s professors…
Your strange, standing delusion of "60's professors" notwithstanding, wouldn't a professor who published something in the "mid 70's" be a "70's professor"?
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Some girls like trucks, some like ballet, some prefer to mountain climb -

Some girls like to listen ballet on the cd player of her truck as she drives to her favorite climbing spot.

Ah, you mean a whole person.

My daughter had a male transgendered friend - and way back in elementary school she was laughing about how when they sat down after a long walk, he perched with both ankles crossed, and she sprawled with her legs spread, leaning on her knees. I don't think there is any one way to spot transgendered people - my point was more that the range of interests is normal - however body language and other nonverbal cues tend to be mixed.
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My younger daughter is transgendered. She haws insisted that she was a boy since she was a toddler and able to speak. She gets mistaken for a boy, even though she's....well endowed in a way boys aren't. Even her teachers have assumed she was a boy, despite having a female name. As for sexuality - she's bi.

The fact is, all her life she has - inside herself - known she was male. This was long before most kids are even making that distinction. She does not intend to have sugery - female to male has far less surgical options and none of them are all that great. However, if she woke up male one morning, she would be thrilled.
Is your daughter getting counseling and hormone therapy? On or off thread I'd be interested in hearing more about her situation.
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Ah, you mean a whole person.

My daughter had a male transgendered friend - and way back in elementary school she was laughing about how when they sat down after a long walk, he perched with both ankles crossed, and she sprawled with her legs spread, leaning on her knees. I don't think there is any one way to spot transgendered people - my point was more that the range of interests is normal - however body language and other nonverbal cues tend to be mixed.
I think that gender is a continum - I'm quite comfortable with my body, but my body language is frequently not 'feminine' (even my grandmother eventually gave up in dispair at teaching me to sit correctly). I can act feminine, and have fun with it, if the situation is right... say, if I were out with a cute Butch, or the friend I mentioned before... but really I'm just a tomboy.

you know, the options for MTF top surgery are OK- it's the 'bottom' surgery that is more problematic, but that isn't really necessary to function socially as male. He's got a transition blog if you (or your daughter) are interested (PM me).
It sounds like you are prety supportive- youv'r got a lucky kid, there!
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Sexual orientation is a different matter than sexual identity. I'm moderately butch, short hair and all. I get mistaken for a guy from the back. From the front it's obvious. I've got bodaysious bosums. But I don't view myself as a man trapped in a woman's body. I like all my 2000 parts and think a man's equipment would be a pain to carry around. I am gay because I love women. But I'm OK being one too.
Good,

like I said, I don't know about her. but it makes no difference to me, either way.I really can't understand why people are so obsessed/disturbed/bothered, or judgemental about another person's sexual preferences. (Unless of course they are piqued or want that person for themselves).
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Good,

like I said, I don't know about her. but it makes no difference to me, either way.I really can't understand why people are so obsessed/disturbed/bothered, or judgemental about another person's sexual preferences. (Unless of course they are piqued or want that person for themselves).
That as they say, Mr D, is the $64,000 question.

Personally, I think it's by not dealing with their own demons in an upfront and honest manner. Methinks that the meer mention of alternative sexualities makes the bones of the skeletons in their closets rattle so loudly, the only way they cover the "noise" is by ranting and raving like lunatics. Jez sayin'....
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Your strange, standing delusion of "60's professors" notwithstanding, wouldn't a professor who published something in the "mid 70's" be a "70's professor"?
Common reference. Nam era scientists are teaching opinionated science as fact on enterer motives..
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Common reference. Nam era scientists are teaching opinionated science as fact on enterer motives..
When I look at the stuff being posted in an attempt to further the pogrom of hate and intolerance against trans and gay people, I continue to see the same poorly thought-out, badly researched, weakly documented, incoherently presented, warmed-over religious bigotry that has been the hallmark of racists, sexists, and religious crazies all down through history. Probably ignoring them and waiting for them to die of old age is the only compassionate way to deal with the hate they embody.
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Nam era scientists are teaching opinionated science as fact on ulterior motive...
When I look at the stuff being posted in an attempt to further the pogrom of hate and intolerance against trans and gay people, I continue to see the same poorly thought-out, badly researched, weakly documented, incoherently presented, warmed-over religious bigotry that has been the hallmark of racists, sexists, and religious crazies all down through history.
(This coming from someone who thinks the boy scouts are a hate group!!!).


Moonbats use these same burbles in all of there plants on people they attack and hate. Is it like, in a handbook or something?
It’s a mental disorder brought on by normalization of a sexual fantasy and is treatable:




It’s like when you guys went with “president Bush lied” never knowing what the lie was (he was reading a British intelligence report during a state of the union address that found Saddam Hussein building up arms for attacks against the United States civilian population.), that Catholics are against homos ( The only stance within the catholic church is a 2,007 year old marriage before sex rule.).
Telling a lie enough so that some will believe doesn’t work with superior American intellect.



For 40+ years now moonbats have had to start over with each college student graduating and conditioning the next bunch of numb nuts.
We are the ones under attack:

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