Good stuff.
Anyway, I agree that today it is important that people become educated on the differences here, as it is clearly evinced in this thread what kind of misunderstanding can come from not knowing all of the details. I believe one of the only ways to spread that knowledge is by people doing it of their own volition (though that is my answer to any social problem, 99% of the time ) and I think your traveling to seminars is a way to get the ball rolling. Educating the masses is the way to go.

I agree that education is the way to go, hence I speak at Universities regularly and wherever else I am invited, I post on sites like this and answer all the questions I am asked.

Reaching those people who already know everything is the problem--my brothers for instance. I don't know how to reach the Hanks of the world, maybe there isn't any way and we'll just have to wait for them to die off like the dinosaurs. Thanks for the input, Pepsi.

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I don’t understand. If you agree this behavior is odd, why do you wish it a distinguishing characteristic of your culture while condemning those who do not???
Your support of a movement that propagates hatred and labeling appalls me.
How dare you condemn the righteous while living off of there blood.Really, let me check…
Hey! You were right…





Hey! I know I was riveted.
The hate and intolerance is not were you seek, but within your own heart.
Stop the bigotry and name calling and some one may actually listen to you. Oh wait, scratch that (I forgot were talking about men wearing high heels..):


Umm hmm.
Dude…:



Nuff said…
Use above reply here also (I used pictures for the big words.)…Not exactly. Freud’s theories were simply a stage setting tool like Dr. Spock and Charles Darwin. My experience comes from being a part of these groups in the 60’s. If you believe me a loyal Christian pay attention to this next statement, “I swear to God that in the 1960’s I had a rainbow sewn on my army jacket along side ecology and peace symbols.
I know more about this shit then you assume and assure you, those who did this to you as a means of empowerment are laughing there asses off at you:


Heres one for ya! What has a life and doesn’t give a crap?
Some people have 12 fingers (You really should proof read your correspondences while trying to imagine what they sound like to normal people.)Yes, one can see the wisdoms by the way the 60’s generation took us from nuclear power all the way forward to fossil fuels and coal (And now they want to take that away…), a land of prosperity to a land of conservation, a land of unity to where everyone loved queers and the way they talked along with black being cool to where you have taken us today because of your fucking ignorance and hate filled heart.It’s called history revision. You know, like us killing Indians instead of them killing, raping and scalping whole settler families and $30,000.oo slaves treated bad instead of like a prized and loved race horses.
Trust me. You just aren’t as interesting a subject as you think you are. That’s why you attack, because no-one gives a shit until you get in there face and spew your hatred and labels towards them.Oh my God. He goes on like that for 12 more paragraphs… Fuck.

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Hank,
If I post a bunch of colorful pictures of heterosexuals doing perverse things does that mean that all heterosexuals are just like that? Would the pictures mean that YOU do those things and that you support that kind of activity?

How about if I post pictures of radical Christians with their shaved heads beating up on people or wearing their hoods while they burn crosses on people's yards, would that mean that YOU do those things and that you support that kind of activity?

You claim to know more about this subject than I give you credit for, but in every post you hide your knowledge under a barrage of sexist, religious, bigotry and vague references to things like liberals and nuclear power. I'm sorry that you are so afraid, but I can't help you with that. Hating others won't help either. In a previous post you expressed worry about people laughing at you, well posts like this ARE laughable, if for no other reason than the fact that they are so sterotypical. Posting a few pictures of people dressed up (they may be Christians dressed up for the photos just so that people like you can have a reason to be outraged for all I know) and attempting to run a guilt-by-association trip on the rest of us is an old, old trick which says more about you than about anyone else.

I have tried to have a real discussion with you but you seem incapable of it, if you really have more knowledge about these subjects then perhaps you put together a cogent, coherent, thoughtful post with something that we could actually discuss. I am a transsexual, Hank, I know whereof I speak. Have you ever sat down with an educated transsexual person and had a discussion?

PS--Great pictures of people in funny costumes. Thane always spiced up his posts with smileys, are the pictures serving the same purpose for you?

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Sure. We killed off all the white settlers- that's why there aren't many people of european descent around here anymore...

For someone who finds this subject uninteresting you seem to spend an awful lot of time posting in these threads.

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"The only abnormality is the incapacity to love"
-Anias Nin

With each post, the "Hanks" of the world reinforce what I said earlier in this thread. They are caricatures of hate-filled, fearful, homophobic, bigots, that are not only ignorant, but revel in that ignorance. A rational discussion is impossible with such people, as they do not think in rational terms. Period.

Mare,

Let me take this opportunity to say that I'm thankful to have had the chance to hear your wisdom on a subject I had often wondered about. You have advanced my understanding of what is a very difficult topic to find real insights into. My hat is off to you.

Johnny K

Thanks, Johnny, education is the only real way to deal issues like this. I think Hank is capable of understanding but I think he's unwilling to learn about it and have to revise his longstanding beliefs--change is difficult and scary. I can sympathize with the Hanks of the world because things are changing so fast that it's hard to keep up sometimes and some of the changes require learning and unlearning, both of which can be hard to take. I'd like to find some way to talk to people like Hank, he's about my age, he and I grew up in the same era, and I suspect we have a lot in common. I may not ever be able to though, I grew up in the same house with both of my brothers and neither one of them is willing to listen or learn either. It's sad. But if you got something out of it then it's worth the effort. Thanks again.
Mare

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Actually, that Rockwell scout reminds me rather eerily of the young blond who starts the song - "Tommorrow belongs to Me" from Cabaret - nice work recreating the ambience by the movie.

I suspect that the amount of 'personality' that is simply DNA unwinding will be astounding - once they figure out the puzzle. Then they'll realize there is a whole 'nother puzzle under that one - and keep on digging, looking for the soul.
Too much beyond our vision - too infinite for perception - we bring meaning with our own choice of lens.

Actually, I have known some wonderful born-again Xtians - whose belief becomes action in Christ's name. It's action that I respect, as you well know. Catholics, Buddhists, Jews, Muslims - there are people of beauty and faith in each - and then there are the jerks.

YYo - people - Hank and I disagree on damn near everything political - but he showed me this place. He do like to poke - and see who jumps - but there is life experience worth listening to in all of us.

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Of course there is. I believe that everyone has something to teach. It comes perhaps of having been raised Quaker, the central tenent of which is that there is that of god in everyone. This is mirrored by the Unitarian belief in the inherent worth and dignity of every person.
It is also one reason why I reject so strongly the idea that people are somehow less valuable if their gender identity dosen't match the societally defined roles.

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"The only abnormality is the incapacity to love"
-Anias Nin

Look for a strong emotional reaction - when you find it, then there is a lesson nearby. We set energies in motion - we experience and learn.

There are no disposable people - gay, transgendered, retarded, ethnic, religious, - those are all classification systems based on social mores. They are in no way rational - individuals are not stereotypes - but they are highly manipulable. The credulity of the manipulated is what is a frightening sign.

We seem so unwilling to learn history's lessons.

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And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, Jan. 29, 2007

It’s more of an in your face thing.
No one cared, they were forced to care. You guys are the aggressors here.

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Racists claimed that black people were the ones causing the trouble when they campaigned for equal rights too. It isn't homosexual and transgendered people who have been beating, raping, and killing heterosexual Christians for the last 15 centuries.

I understand that you find us objectionable and that you are resistant to learning anything about the subject--preferring to remain secure in your righteous ignorance--but it's a new day for the rest of humanity and we are learning that the superstitious religious beliefs of yesterday are not a suitable guide for tomorrow. No one can force you to learn, invincible ignorance succumbs only to old age.

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Again with the history revisions and wisdoms you wish to share with the ignorant. I have news for you, black was cool and everyone wanted to hangout, be seen with and even marry blacks. Democrats did the same thing to them there doing to homo’s.
(Did you know more whites were murdered during the Rodney King riots because they were white then blacks were lynched in the entire history of the solar system…)You’d be surprised what history presented before these sandal wearing ten-speed riding earth bag carrying wise men you follow seized information outlets… It was those very people within the Roman society and Muslim religion that twice almost caused our extinction. Christians have been the most tortured, raped, slain and murdered group in the entire history of man (Yes, Islamic religion offers the choice of virgin women or young boys to terrorist that kill Christians…).As I stated earlier, no one thinks of them at all until we catch them teaching our children in school the proper way to stick a dick in your mouth or ass…We know, it’s called the tribulation.
You should read it some time. You actually recieve the world you make for yourself…Confucius???

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Care to substantiate any of those ravings? Or should we just call your doctors for a med check? Either it's something you're taking or something you should be taking - but you need an adjustment, Hank!

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And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, Jan. 29, 2007

Jesus! Hank, the 60's were good to you. We're patient, we'll wait for the dinosaurs to die just like any other creature that cannot learn and adapt.

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