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MareTranquility · #31 (**permalink**) 03-22-2007

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The public school system is a terrible institution. The problem is multifaceted. Kids who are forced to attend public schools then also have many of their constitutional rights stripped away. And as if that wasn't enough schools, more and more, are taking many parenting rights/responsibilities away from parents. For instance. Not that long ago I heard a story where some kids from the same school got in a fight over the weekend. They were not at a school function, or on school property. The next monday the principal found out and disciplined both students. Also when I was in school I got off of the bus and went home. Later in the day I got in a fight with a friend of mine, who also attended the same school. Again we were disciplined for something that had nothing to do with the school. It is not the job of the public school system to raise our children. The job of the public school system is to provide our students with information.

I agree, that's why I think that a safe seminar for students to find out about homosexuality and transsexuality is a good idea. I wish my school had a seminar like that when I was a kid.

tamperpr00f · #32 (**permalink**) 03-22-2007

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I agree, that's why I think that a safe seminar for students to find out about homosexuality and transsexuality is a good idea. I wish my school had a seminar like that when I was a kid.

Hehe good one. I figured someone would respond that way so allow me to be more simplistic. School is a place where one should learn reading, writing, and arithmetic. I have no problem with schools presenting information on homosexuality etc. during sex education courses. So long as that information is purely clinical. It seems to me that this seminar is not that. Furthermore I believe parents ought to have the right to attend any school function/activity from individual classes to seminars etc. at any time. Schools are not parents.

MareTranquility · #33 (**permalink**) 03-23-2007

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Hehe good one. I figured someone would respond that way so allow me to be more simplistic. School is a place where one should learn reading, writing, and arithmetic. I have no problem with schools presenting information on homosexuality etc. during sex education courses. So long as that information is purely clinical. It seems to me that this seminar is not that. Furthermore I believe parents ought to have the right to attend any school function/activity from individual classes to seminars etc. at any time. Schools are not parents.

I haven't seen the curriculum so I won't pass judgment on what the class actually was intended to do. I do know that many children are in grave danger from parents when it is discovered that the children are homosexual or transgendered. These children need a safe place to go, a safe place to ask questions, and a safe place to turn when they are thrown out of their homes--children should not be forced to live on the street.

My friend who was born with both a penis and a vagina had her vagina sewed up at birth by order of her parents and they raised her as a boy, never telling her anything about her surgery at birth. When she started growing breasts in Junior High School did her parents level with her and get her appropriate medical care and counseling? Nope, they started beating her for being evil. Sometimes children need protection from their parents. If this was an isolated incident then one could say that these were simply crazy parents, but it's not.

I know of another trans-woman who was alternately beaten by her father for not being a "man" and raped for being so girlish. Where do these children turn? Who speaks for them? I applaud the school for at least trying to do something for these kids. The city I live in has a Q-Center for kids like this, and there are a lot of them.

tamperpr00f · #34 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

I haven't seen the curriculum so I won't pass judgment on what the class actually was intended to do. I do know that many children are in grave danger from parents when it is discovered that the children are homosexual or transgendered. These children need a safe place to go, a safe place to ask questions, and a safe place to turn when they are thrown out of their homes--children should not be forced to live on the street.

My friend who was born with both a penis and a vagina had her vagina sewed up at birth by order of her parents and they raised her as a boy, never telling her anything about her surgery at birth. When she started growing breasts in Junior High School did her parents level with her and get her appropriate medical care and counseling? Nope, they started beating her for being evil. Sometimes children need protection from their parents. If this was an isolated incident then one could say that these were simply crazy parents, but it's not.

I know of another trans-woman who was alternately beaten by her father for not being a "man" and raped for being so girlish. Where do these children turn? Who speaks for them? I applaud the school for at least trying to do something for these kids. The city I live in has a Q-Center for kids like this, and there are a lot of them.

I will not justify such shameful atrocities. I will say this. Parents have ultimate responsiblity for their children. With that responsibility comes the absolute authority to raise their children in the manner they see fit. Free from government interference.

Otter · #35 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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I will not justify such shameful atrocities. I will say this. Parents have ultimate responsiblity for their children. With that responsibility comes the absolute authority to raise their children in the manner they see fit. Free from government interference.

Are you saying that society should not interfere if parents choose to burn their child with cigarette butts? Lock them in a cage? pimp them to their friends? Do parents own their children, like slaves?

MareTranquility · #36 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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I will not justify such shameful atrocities. I will say this. Parents have ultimate responsiblity for their children. With that responsibility comes the absolute authority to raise their children in the manner they see fit. Free from government interference.

I will NEVER cede that right to anyone, NO ONE has the right to do to their children the things I have seen people do, that's why we have child protection laws. You are not seriously saying that you think that all the laws on the books restricting the rights of parents to abuse children should be removed, are you? You can't be.

MareTranquility · #37 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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Are you saying that society should not interfere if parents choose to burn their child with cigarette butts? Lock them in a cage? pimp them to their friends? Do parents own their children, like slaves?

I don't think Tamper means that, Otter, but I'm not absolutely sure, I think he means things on a lower level, but perhaps he'll post and clear it up.

doniston · #38 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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Originally Posted by MareTranquility

I haven't seen the curriculum so I won't pass judgment on what the class actually was intended to do. I do know that many children are in grave danger from parents when it is discovered that the children are homosexual or transgendered. These children need a safe place to go, a safe place to ask questions, and a safe place to turn when they are thrown out of their homes--children should not be forced to live on the street.

My friend who was born with both a penis and a vagina had her vagina sewed up at birth by order of her parents and they raised her as a boy, never telling her anything about her surgery at birth. When she started growing breasts in Junior High School did her parents level with her and get her appropriate medical care and counseling? Nope, they started beating her for being evil. Sometimes children need protection from their parents. If this was an isolated incident then one could say that these were simply crazy parents, but it's not.

I know of another trans-woman who was alternately beaten by her father for not being a "man" and raped for being so girlish. Where do these children turn? Who speaks for them? I applaud the school for at least trying to do something for these kids. The city I live in has a Q-Center for kids like this, and there are a lot of them.

I don't disagree with the seminar, But I do think it is wrong to ban the parents. A seminar is not a discussion, it is basically a question and answer session. THEN, "private" consultations shoud be made possible for those needing them.

doniston · #39 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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Originally Posted by tamperpr00f

I will not justify such shameful atrocities. I will say this. Parents have ultimate responsiblity for their children. With that responsibility comes the absolute authority to raise their children in the manner they see fit. Free from government interference.

What you don't seem to realize it that with that "ABSOLIUTE AUTHORITY", Comes the "Shameful Atrocities" not just in the case of Transgenders, but rape and molestation of otherwise "Normal" Children.

MareTranquility · #40 (**permalink**) 03-24-2007

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I don't disagree with the seminar, But I do think it is wrong to ban the parents. A seminar is not a discussion, it is basically a question and answer session. THEN, "private" consultations shoud be made possible for those needing them.

Like I said, I don't have enough information to pass judgment.