Actually, from what I've seen and heard, some women consider the 'jackass' behavior to be 'strong and attractive.' There's a fine line between assertiveness and assholeishness (if that's not a word, it has just officially become one.) "The hunter" archetype is still considered an important trait, and considering women's propensity to 'marry up' as it were, the incredibly assertive guys who've crossed that line into assholedom start looking really attractive. I've seen it in just about every woman I've ever known - I dunno if this is a predominant trait, but stats do go with it - women prefer someone 'stronger' than themselves. Demand for thug asshole = guys who want girls act like thugs to get them. So, in that sense, I guess you're right, the more aggressive women are being trained to be, the more aggressive they want their mates to be, and hence, the more aggressive their mates will make themselves out to be to acquire them. Aggressive girls promote men to be more aggressive.

In fact, it's so common that guys like myself have a very lonely time in their 20s. At 21, I found myself often dating women in their 30s, because before then the most desirable trait is 'thug.' (the perceived 'best lay') Around 30 though, when ye olde biological clock starts ticking, then 'the nice guy' becomes attractive.

Wheras a not so aggressive woman (my wife in particular) while she likes the fact that I can be at times (and hence makes her feel safe) she also likes my caring side as well. She 'went up' too, but, didn't have to go as far because she's very passive. I admit it, I like that about her. I'm having a very hard time describing it...I keep wanting to say that she submits, but that's not quite right. Maybe...because she doesn't fight with me, I don't feel the need to fight back, and hence have my way. She, by not fighting me, makes me okay with listening to her point of view. That's the best way I can describe it.

But, when growing up with the feminist party line (A Woman Against Feminism And For Men's Rights writes a lot about it, second page top article, even if she does go a wee bit too far at times, and certainly has a flair for the dramatic) you have a not-insignificant portion of women who are behaving exactly like the stereotype applied to men. The hunter looking for the fast easy lay isn't just male, and it never really was. Society used to teach girls not to, so the urge to find as many partners as possible was suppressed. Well, society now says that it's okay for women to do it. So, what we get is a population of women more than willing to provide the other half to that cheap easy lay. Unfortunately, the more old fashioned women and men get caught in the crossfire. The men from the stereotype, hated for it before I even open my mouth. And women, running into the guys who all of a sudden don't have just those few loose easy chicks, but a whole plethora of em. If there's a demand, there will be a supply. Simple as that.

This is a huge topic, and really belongs in another thread, so I'll cut this short.

Bah, pickup lines are more for us than they are for you. You should know how silly and nervous some of us can get when we're looking for a relationship. The line is something simple that we can practice so we don't walk up and say something infinitely more stupid (studdering, etc.) Well, okay...at least that's what it was for me...

And, getting dismissed is part of the reason why those lines are so important. The more often dismissed, the more nervous one gets. Now, I can't speak for all guys, but, some of us use those lines so we don't make an ass of ourselves, not to hide some hidden motive.

Just keep that in mind before sending away a guy who comes off as cheesy, he may just be nervous off his ass and trying desperately to not open foot insert mouth.

Well said Lurker, but I think you're telling the sheilas a bit too much of men's secret business

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I may be missing something here ... but, why is that "line" a corny one? He could just have been trying to make conversation, for one, and might not have known what exactly to say up front.

Just curious.

Actually it struck me as being prudent.

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I agree ... I don't think most guys would mind another guy asking their girl that either.

You be quiet! Anything that gives young women, and even us oldies, ammunition in this 'war' is all good!

Now, enigma has heard some pretty awful lines in her day! In fact, Tethys and I, like most women,have stayed up late laughing our heads off at some of them!

One thing I can never understand is why men are so predictable.

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You describe it very well. I'm not so much attracted to assholeishness as I am power. I like it when guys have the ability to influence others and outcomes. Of all the guys I've met recently, the cop is by far the most attractive to me. There was a drunken asshole (starting fights with others) at the bar one night and the hot cop made one phone to a buddy and within a few minutes here come the lights to escourt the drunken ass off the property. The power to fix the situation so easily was very attractive. This is a guy who is a couple of years younger then me, he shaves his head, and is all tattooed up - all of which I normally wouldn't find so attractive, however, I think he is absolutely beautiful.


I'll have to keep that in mind. He did good by letting me walk away and then he approached me again a little bit later. To come back up and talk to me after I originally walked away showed some courage, I guess.

The corny part was when he asked if he could be my boyfriend for the night since I don't have one. Why do I need a boyfriend and why am I only good enough for one night? I never did say, "Why yes, please, be my boyfriend for tonight", but I did continue to talk with him. Once his nervousness wore off he was very polite and not to cheesy. Until Lurker said something, I would have never, ever guessed a guy would be nervous talking to me. I've always thought I was very approachable and I guess I assummed that based on the number of guys and girls who just come up and start talking to me.

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Hey, baby! You goin' my way? Huh? Why don't you step into my 300 horse power love machine, eh? Come on, doll, rest those beautiful legs of yours on my soft zebra skin seat cover! You need money, I got money! Hey, where are you going?

Where am I going? Hot damn, I'm going with you!! You say the sweetest things. BTW, I'm not wearing any panties.

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See, everyone? People do it because it totally works!

Now, if you'll excuse Crystal and I and our jar of mayo and garden hose...

LOL. That's supposed to be Brussels' Fifth Avenue.

I think that you got a feel of the Mediterranean culture. A ladyfriend of mine (gorgeous, blonde) had similar experiences in Italy too. Latin cultures are much more forward in this and other respects. It's certainly not specific to Arabs. In fact, I think it must have been Moroccans, not Arabs. This is definitely not something a (culturally generalized) Palestinian or Jordanian would do.
Next time you visit Belgium, go to Ghent. I'll show you around and you'll see that the Turks e.g. are much more gentlemanlike
As to whether it works or not, I don't have a clue. It's certainly not my approach.

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Hi there
I liked where I stayed. It was in the shopping district and close to everything I ll stay there again when I go back in April.

I know they were not Arab I d say they were Morrocans but as I am sure you know yourself everyone calls them Arab (in France anyway )
My best friend is from Algeria so I knowa bit about their culture (I just didn t think anyone would catch me out here for being politicly incorrect )
She goes mad when people call her Arab but shes now used to it.

I would have said "magreib" if I was speaking French (I assume you speak French) I used to give out to French who called them Arabs. I suppose the English translation for Magreib is North African I think. But to me African normally means black (even though its not the case ie South Africa). Thats why I said Arab as I thought people would understand that better.

I also have had similar problems in Italy and Spain. I think the problem is they are not one bit shy. I think it is a real med thing.

were they giving you a ride as in being a taxi?

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No they werent . It was like a night out for them. Get in the car and try to get girls to go with them. It was no taxi service or maybe it was but in return for another type of payment

Ah yes, THAT particular line is certainly corny.