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Old 03-22-2007
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Re: Abstinence education

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Why would teenagers not having sex be a good thing? I don't get it.
STD proliferation and underage pregnancy, I would imagine. Though, it sure ain't my problem, and far be it from me to stand in the way of fun...
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STD proliferation and underage pregnancy, I would imagine. Though, it sure ain't my problem, and far be it from me to stand in the way of fun...
Making sex ed all the more important. It's highly unrealistic to expect all teens (or even the majority of teens) to remain abstinent. It just ain't natural. If we weren't intended to start bonking our brains out at such a young age, our sexual organs would mature much later.

So, I say let's have "condom Friday" at all the schools, and make sure lil' Johnny & Jane are well stocked up for the weekend. Since we know they're gonna go at like priests in the altar-boy cloak-room, we might as well help 'em not contract something or impregnate one another. . .
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Old 03-25-2007
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Re: Abstinence education

I am not going to allow my children’s schools to be the purveyors of their sex education. For one they are Catholic schools and their philosophy is not the same as mine. Secondly I believe parents have the responsibility for these things. I will definitely not be pinning my hopes on abstinence though.
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Re: Abstinence education

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Those types of things are best left to parents to teach (abstinence, etc.)
If schools want to teach about safe-sex, STDs, etc. then I say go for it. Parents should be teaching the importance of abstinence on their own time. That isn't a job for the school.
Best reply yet, but lets put in it perspective.
The push for teaching abstinence is only to counter the “how to stick stuff in your butt” homo agenda and “do whatever you want” ideology of those who want are children raised there way and not the parents.
It wouldn’t have come up if not for that.
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Re: Abstinence education

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Those types of things are best left to parents to teach (abstinence, etc.)
If schools want to teach about safe-sex, STDs, etc. then I say go for it. Parents should be teaching the importance of abstinence on their own time. That isn't a job for the school.
great post and so true
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Old 03-26-2007
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Re: Abstinence education

I lost my virginity at 15. My girlfriend at that time was 14. We were in love, not lust, and had been going out for over a year. Had we not had sex ed. I believe I would not have known what a condom was. Thank God I did, or I would be too busy working to pay for an unwanted bastard baby. (I say bastard literally, since we weren't getting married at that age no matter what.)

I knew what sex was by 10. I knew what it was. I didn't, and still don't need some person telling me what to think, and what to do, just like everyone else. Those pushing for abstinence only education forget what it is like to be kids. They don't like having knowledge withheld or tampered with to control their actions. They will rebel, as all teenagers do (I include myself with that).
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Re: Abstinence education

What kind of "abstinence education" are we talking about here? Really how much is there to say about abstinence other than "If you don't have sex you can't possibly get pregnant or an STD"? Or by "abstinence education" are we really talking about some sort of "anti-contraception/condemn education"?
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Re: Abstinence education

I'm all for abstinence education. But, how do you teach it?
You could start by enumerating the various sexual diseases.
You could say that sex is not as good as people claim.
You could say a million things but I dont know ...
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Re: Abstinence education

Abstinance is a worthy goal that parents should encourage their children to strive for. But it doesn't belong in schools. Let the schools teach the facts - I'll teach the values.
As somebopdy pointed out abstinance is not natural. Neither is keeping kids dependant on their parents until they're 18 or older but that's a cultural and economic necessity.
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Remember the Movie ""WALKOUT" Its about a bunch of Mexican Kids demand their rights in LA Public School.Its like the Mongomery Bus Boycott in the 60s started this whole civil rights revolution.Schools need attendance check in order to receive the money from state.If School doesnt have enough attendance it doesnt get the money from the state government.Those kids tried to get their rights without using violence or drastic measures.They tried going to the school board to get changes.But the School Board looked the other way so they all walked out everytime attendance gets checked at 9AM they will not return until school board gives in to their demands.After 2 weeks on Walkout Protests the school board gave in and the walkout protests ended.
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Best reply yet, but lets put in it perspective.
The push for teaching abstinence is only to counter the “how to stick stuff in your butt” homo agenda and “do whatever you want” ideology of those who want are children raised there way and not the parents.
It wouldn’t have come up if not for that.
Honestly, my wife is an educator. Most of my wife's friends are as well. At schools all across America. And I've not yet encountered a single person whose school had a curriculum predicated on the "homo agenda" (which, fyi, translates as "man's agenda," dippy). Is this some repressed fantasy you dreamt up or what?
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I'm all for abstinence education. But, how do you teach it?
You could start by enumerating the various sexual diseases.
You could say that sex is not as good as people claim.
You could say a million things but I dont know ...
Um, that's where you'd be wrong, cowboy. Sex is as good as claimed.

At least I enjoy it.

Immensely!!!!
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Re: Abstinence education

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Um, that's where you'd be wrong, cowboy. Sex is as good as claimed.

At least I enjoy it.

Immensely!!!!
hey now.
Ok, let me try sometime and i'll let you know.
hahaha i'm kidding.
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Re: Abstinence education

I have no problem with teaching it along with education on STD/STIs, birth controls, proper hygiene, etc, as part of comprehensive sex education in health classes. This information is educational and so long as it is presented that way I feel that benefits overall education and awareness.

The massive federal funding, however, on 'abstinence programmes' is ridiculous. "Just Say No" does not cost a dime to say or the few reasons why that could be advisable, never mind the megamillions spent on it. I am far more concerned why so many school children cannot read, write, add or point to their own home state on the map.

Simply put, the 'abstinence education' programme was nothing but a political gift by the Republicans to Religious Right supporters who sought it. It warrants a yellow card on separation of church and state and a red card on frugal and wise spending practices. IMHO, it is spending on things like this that helped remove the former standing of the Republican Party to speak for libertarianism and fiscal conservativism and morph into the current Big Brother/Big Spender of today, and sadly the tradeoff for sacrificing has been, IMO, nearly nil because the particular goals they have sought have little countermanding benefits to be gained on the pro/con sliding scale of implementing or foregoing them.

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Re: Abstinence education

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Best reply yet, but lets put in it perspective.
The push for teaching abstinence is only to counter the “how to stick stuff in your butt” homo agenda and “do whatever you want” ideology of those who want are children raised there way and not the parents.
It wouldn’t have come up if not for that.
WHERE did you go to school? Or is this just another drug-induced fantasy? Jesus! The 60's must have been a real roller-coaster for you, Hank, it's a wonder your body lived it, and no real surprise that your mind didn't.
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