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Old 03-29-2007
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Re: Man shouldn't pay alimony anymore, because she is now a he

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marriage is freakin complicated. i thought alimony was based on supporting kids. didnt realize that couples pay each other like they are prostitutes while separated. anyway, damn. i guess thats why i'll never get married.

back to the topic: the father has to pay another man alimony for being separated. i'm not sure how to feel about this. alimony is new concept - so i guess i'll just say that i support the fathers contention that he should not have to pay alimony to another guy because he never married a guy.
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Re: Man shouldn't pay alimony anymore, because she is now a he

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I have no idea what she did or did not tell her husband, but this kind of thing doesn't spring up full-blown, the husband here may have known and is pretending otherwise to protect his own image. We don't have enough intimate information to condemn either party in this dispute.
well then what's the point of even talking about it if we don't have all the information?

i'm making judgments based on various scenarios, which is as much as anyone can do, and we all go from there. in some cases, i think they guy shouldn't pay anything. in a specific few, which i doubt actually happened, i think he should pay.

if we're only going to debate things we're 100% informed about then we can just reduce this forum to a debate on whether or not gravity exists, then pull the plug on anyone who doesn't think it does.


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well then what's the point of even talking about it if we don't have all the information?

i'm making judgments based on various scenarios, which is as much as anyone can do, and we all go from there. in some cases, i think they guy shouldn't pay anything. in a specific few, which i doubt actually happened, i think he should pay.

if we're only going to debate things we're 100% informed about then we can just reduce this forum to a debate on whether or not gravity exists, then pull the plug on anyone who doesn't think it does.

...you know, i'd be for that.
Could we also silence all those who oppose free speech?

Debating things can be useful up to a point even when one does not have all the information. People can contribute background information that others might not be aware of and present different perspectives on the issue. It's the hard and fast condemnations that seem to me to be out of place.
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Would this same logic apply to a woman who changed her last name back to her maiden name? If the man was married to Joan Smith, he could say "I'm not paying alimony to Joan Miller!"
Well, he did marry Joan Miller and she took his name to become "smith". So she now has two last names and he should pay twice as much.

I can see how this guy is thinking. He married Mary Smith, who then became Mary Johnson, then she got a johnson and became Bill Miller. This guy is doing what most people do in this situation, trying to come up with a reason to not pay alimony.
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MareTranquility, again, it doesn't matter if your feelings confuse you. In the case of this ... case ... she should have communcated something. You don't know the words, whatever, but does she have the common courtesy to say "i'm upset and feel funny." if she didn't then that's her problem. Again, communication is relevant, even if it's not "yo, i'm really a guy deep down," it's important.
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marriage is freakin complicated. i thought alimony was based on supporting kids. didnt realize that couples pay each other like they are prostitutes while separated. anyway, damn. i guess thats why i'll never get married.

back to the topic: the father has to pay another man alimony for being separated. i'm not sure how to feel about this. alimony is new concept - so i guess i'll just say that i support the fathers contention that he should not have to pay alimony to another guy because he never married a guy.
My understanding of the concept of alimony is that it's based on one partner (nealy always the wife) giving up career oportunities to keep house, take care of kids, or even just to live where the husbands career demands. Therefore, since she has provided support for the husbands career and 'invested' in it, as it were, she's entitled to some of the proceeds thereof if they divorce. I don't see how the above situation lessens his endebtedness- a sex change does not retroactively alter whatever support was rendered during the marriage.
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Re: Man shouldn't pay alimony anymore, because she is now a he

Are people confusing alimony with child support?

My state is a "no fault" state...which has significant pros and cons.

One of the pro's is there is no alimony unless very specific guidelines are met...such as if the spouse was in college and the other was supporting them during their education - they will have to pay suitable alimony until the education is met.
If one was the "bread winner" and the other had no employment, or does not make enough money to support themselves OUTSIDE of the care of any children - once the spouse gets a job, or marries again - the alimony ends.
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Are people confusing alimony with child support?
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I did. However, Britain does consider Alimony a form of child support. But, in this case, its USA so I erred.
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Re: Man shouldn't pay alimony anymore, because she is now a he

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My understanding of the concept of alimony is that it's based on one partner (nealy always the wife) giving up career oportunities to keep house, take care of kids, or even just to live where the husbands career demands. Therefore, since she has provided support for the husbands career and 'invested' in it, as it were, she's entitled to some of the proceeds thereof if they divorce. I don't see how the above situation lessens his endebtedness- a sex change does not retroactively alter whatever support was rendered during the marriage.
I guess when taken this way, it makes sense. How long does such an investment maintain itself? Until someone dies?
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I guess when taken this way, it makes sense. How long does such an investment maintain itself? Until someone dies?
It varies by state; usually until they (the one receiving the alimony) remarry.
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