Interesting take on divorce. A man divorced his wife and she is now a man. Now he says he shouldn't have to pay "him" alimony. The man was never married to this "man".

FOXNews.com - Florida Man Says Ex-Wife's Sex Change Should End His Alimony Obligation - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News

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Without knowing the specifics of the case, I would say that the sex change doesn't change a thing (well, some things obviously), in an economic sense.

Alimony is designed to help your ex or any children and has nothing to do with ones sexuality. Sex change or not, she/he still has obligations, which sexuality has no impact on whatsoever.

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Agreed, Maddox. I suspect the courts will agree as well.

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If someone's married to Josephine, he shouldn't have to pay alimony to Joseph.

Furthermore, the "ex" should be forced to reveal exactly where the money for the sex change came from. If even a penny of the alimony was used for it, then the husband should be let off the hook...

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I can see how he's asking it to be cancelled "legally". I mean strictly legally. As in he was "never married to John".

I bet he still makes the checks out to her original name, just to try to tweak the system.

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Lt. Gov Diane Denish on Bill Richardson "The governor, she said, "pinches my neck. He touches my hip, my thigh, sort of the side of my leg."

Would this same logic apply to a woman who changed her last name back to her maiden name? If the man was married to Joan Smith, he could say "I'm not paying alimony to Joan Miller!"

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Exactly. It's still the same person. This is a ridiculous arguement.

no, because when you marry a person they take your name AFTER you're married, not before. so you, in fact, marry the person with the maiden name.


this, though, is not the same thing. a name doesn't matter, but the sex does. being required to pay alimony to someone legally recognized as the same sex as you implies that the law recognizes a same sex marriage once existed. in states where gay marriage is forbidden, this man has a case, because to forbid same sex marriage is to say the marriage, divorce, and alimony, do not exist within the legal realm. payments should not be made.

in states where gay marriage is legal? i still think he shouldn't pay, because it's still legally recognizing that the guy married, divorced, and owes someone the the same sex, when he didn't. he married, divorced, and owes a woman. plus if the person has the extra cash to buy a sex-change they, frankly, don't deserve the luxury of alimony, because they're spending it on frivolous things and just trying to improve their life, rather than meet necessary needs.

Despite the oddity of this situation, I would have to agree with you.

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First of all I think that alimony (but not child support) is a heaping load of bullshit. However, if we accept the fact of alimony, why does it matter that the recipient has a particular surgery (the cost factor notwithstanding)? That is to say, does changing gender suddenly make your earning power increase without the acquisition of any appreciable skills? If I were to become a woman, do you think that my employer would cut my pay?

Now, if the alimony money is being used to pay for a voluntary surgery, then I could see the argument. But if it's just the "ick" factor of paying alimony to a dude, I think that's silly.

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sex change surgery is little more than plastic surgery, purely aesthetic. changing your physical body to match you think your inner person is.

if she can spend money on the surgery then she does not need alimony, not at all. that money should be going to pay for her food, not for her new fake penis.

would you expect someone to pay alimony to an ex-husband who spends thousands and thousands of dollars on comic books and toys? alimony law is bullshit, i agree, and i think most people might agree with that if the person who would receive alimony can afford a safe, necessities-met lifestyle without it, they shouldn't get one. "living a lifestyle i've grown accustomed to" is a weak argument, and nobody deserves money for being used to luxuries.


my argument was more along the lines if the man pays alimony to another "man" then he, and the government, acknowledge that the man was in a same sex marriage, which simply is not the case. therefor, he shouldn't be paying alimony to another man, period.

That's silly. If you had sex with a woman who years later had a sex change, does that make you gay?

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First off, I don't think you can prescribe what your ex-spouse spends the alimony money on. Child support, yes, but not alimony. Courts grant alimony for many reasons, some wives work and put husbands through years of medical school and then get dumped, courts often award alimony to acknowledge years of financial support. Right or wrong, it's not my place to say.

I had to laugh reading this thread. You can't have it both ways and that's what people are trying to do. Either sex changes are real and the person becomes the other sex OR it's all cosmetic or decorative surgery and the person is the same. Strictly speaking, that guy has been married to a Man all this time and just didn't know it because He was born with a female body. In some States a sex change allows you to change your birth certificate and marry someone of the opposite sex, other States don't give a damn what you say or do, they say that you ARE whatever your birth certificate says and in those States you can only marry a person of the opposite sex from what it says on your birth certificate (which in some case will make it a defacto same-sex marriage, I know someone who just did this). The issue of transgendered people is going to make Americans examine their views on sex, sexual orientation, sex and gender, and marriage because all of those simplistic "innie and outie" rules don't work with trans-people.

For a female to male (FtM) person like the article talks about there are very few options for obtaining a "fake penis" as one person said it. Phalloplasty is incredibly expensive and the results are usually disappointing. It's very difficult to make a functioning penis or even a realistic-looking non-functioning one. Most phalloplasties cost a hundred thousand dollars and up, so very few FtM's get them. It is possible that the FtM in the article spent almost nothing on his transition, if he had small breasts and didn't need a mastectomy, then the major cost would be testosterone supplements which run less than $100/month. A female body exposed to testosterone supplementation will bulk up, the voice will get deeper, and the beard will begin to grow, the breasts on the other hand will shrink dramatically. Once they're on testosterone for a few months many FtM's will pass in society with no difficulty at all. Anybody with a deep voice and beard is perceived as male even if they are of small stature.

I love the whole same-sex marriage argument here because, despite all those who believe otherwise, there is no solid scientific way to define male and female. Since we discovered that the XX and XY chromosomes could be found in either sex and we learned that there are 7 more chromosome patterns found in humans, we have come to the place where scientists are using 8 markers and assigning a "probability" of sex to people. All the evidence points to sex as being on a continuum with mostly male people on one end and mostly female people on the other and the vast majority of people somewhere inbetween with a mix of male and female characteristics. For most people the mix is so much more loaded towards one sex than the other that the mix isn't a problem or perhaps even noticeable, but there are bunch of people out in the middle who aren't fish or fowl--and I am here to tell you that this is a very uncomfortable position to be in considering the committment our culture has to the gender binary system and the resultant hatred and discrimination levelled at those of us who do not fit into one of the accepted patterns.

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Mare, I don't think I've ever really taken issue with anything you've said in the past, but I shall with this. "Strictly speaking", the guy was married to someone who didn't have a dick. Therefore, he wasn't married to a man...

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Don't laugh, this is one of the most dangerous misconceptions that men have about transsexuals. Most men are SOOOOOO homophobic that transsexuals scare the heck out of them because of the fear that they might be perceived as "gay" for having a relationship with one of them. It would be hilarious if it wasn't for the ugly fact that a lot of transsexuals get beaten-up or killed because of this hysterical fear. Three young men who had sex with a transsexual at a party in California later dragged her into the garage, beat her with a shovel, strangled her, and buried her in a shallow grave in the forest a hundred miles away.

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