i see and palestine has dollar votes? or is it just a convienant way to hate the jew...

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Whats more racist?

Do to racism in america against the black man by the white man... the white man must take care of the black man, because the blackman is incapable of taking care of himself on his own he deserves special priviledges and special consideration over other races, including irish asians jews and any other races that have experianced racism in america. the black man must recieve special apologies reparations and all sorts of other things because of the situation he is in. the white man must pay for the livelihood and education of the black man, and everyone must honor all elements of black culture especially the parts that glorify living on the opposite side of the law, degradation of women and worship of petty materialism. because the black man and black culture is incapable of being lawful and respectfull of women and nonviolent in anyway. therefor it must be accepted as is and appreciated as a side effect of white mans oppression.

or ... the black man just like any other man is fully capable of being equally successful as anyone else. And deserves not to be coddled and protected but to be respected as an equal.


The inabilty of muslims to take considerations to international standards of human rights should be honored as an unfortuanate part of the islamic culture. Therefor any gross abuses are to be looked over, as they are common and therefor not important. Muslims are excused from being violent oppressive and cruel just as are creatures in the animal kingdom.

or..

Muslims are fully capable of following standards on human rights.. as all people. Islamic culture should not go hand in hand with glorifying and practicing in torture, suicide bombings, vicious attacks on civilians, horrific child abuse, rape, extreme anti semitism, holocaust denial, awful treatment of women.. and there for should be condemed on all abuses and treated as any other man that would commit such crimes from any other nationality. No man is excused from crimes.

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World of black or white. Nothing in between?
What a convenient way to analyze things.
Except, it would be wrong.

You think black men dont take care of white men? or that White men care for white men?
I guess I dont see your point.
But, how could I when your signature so wrongly says anti-israel = racist?
How could I? I cant.

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I've avoided posting to this thread because I find its premise quite ridiculous. A black girl tells her white friend that she's the target of racism because she's smart and doesn't like rap music. Not just ridiculous but stupid.

Do you know who the biggest buyers of rap music are? .. White people BY FAR. Rap is the biggest selling and most listened to music in the world today, but even in this country, whites buy more rap music than blacks BY FAR.

I'm black, have a degree, and don't like or listen to rap music, but have never encountered "racism" or disdain by my own people because I'm smart or don't listen to rap music. My daughter is 15 years old and she doesn't listen to rap music and is a 3.2 student, and many of her friends are much the same. I have never heard any of them talk about being shunned by other black people because of it.

People tend to latch onto any bullshit that seemingly justifies what they want to believe whether there is any validity to it or not and this thread is an example of that.

Did you ever consider that your friend simply wants to make herself appear better than other people of her race? She's dating a white guy, who by what I've read of his past posts, doesn't appear to be anywhere near liberal or open to people of other races. When I first read this thread and who wrote it it didn't make the slightest bit of sense given the posts I read by him in the past. "A black girl way up there on the mensa level", not just a black girl.

For those who don't know anything about black people, yet so easily come to conclusions and judgements about what you don't know, this is not how the black community works. We are a communal people, perhaps more so than any culture in America. Why do blacks seem to vote in blocks of 80-90%? .. Because we are a communal people. At one time we were nearly all republicans and voted 90% republican. For those who don't know history the Republican Party was started as an anti-slavery party and during Reconstruction we were all republicans. That changed when we got a better deal from Roosevelt and was solidified when Nixon went on his southern strategy. The point is that some of the posts I've read here, although not many, are posted by people who don't have a clue what they're talking about.

Smart people are not shunned by the black community, but traitorous people are .. which is why neither Colin Powell or Condaslezza Rice are celebrated in the black community. Not because they're "smart" but because they are fools and if America had voted as the black community voted, George Bush would not be president and our sons and daughters would not be dying in Iraq. Blacks gave Bush 2% of our vote and this mystical "black girl" Melted is talking about sounds like she would be among that 2% .. which does not make her "smart" or mensa quality.

As for rap music, although I don't listen to it or like it, the young boys who created it have made millions upon miillions of dollars for themselves with it and have created the most listened to music in the world. They dropped out of the usual American way of doing things because they recognize that it targets them for prison and they will be the last hired and the first fired.

Look no further than the criminal Just-US System. By any measure from the DEA, State Police, CIA, or Barney Fife, whites are the largest users, sellers, and importers of drugs in the US BY FAR, yet the criminal injustice system locks away blacks for the very same crimes that whites get probation and prisons are filled with blacks for drugs even though black drug use is about equal to our percentage of the population.

Check the Innocence Project and see how DNA evidence is getting blacks off death row and out of prison for crimes they did not commit by were railroaded by prosecution and the courts .. because they were black. Now many courst are resisting using DNA evidence, not because its not conclusive, but because it is.

Years ago when a man murdered his wife and children in Boston he claimed some black guys did it because he knew in America it would be believed. The police went on a rampage throughout black neighborhoods looking for ghosts until it was dicovered that this asshole killed his own family. The Central Park Jogger case was another example of just blame someone black and it is believed.

Excuse me if I find this thread ridiculous and another example of just say something negative about black people and watch the uninformed race to pass judgement.

Who is racist? .. Anyone who would believe this bulshit and pass judgement on an entire race of people because of it.

metalted, were you drunk when you posted this?

BlackAsCoal, great response.

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If you're referring to his post #32 that starts out "Whats more racist?" then I think the better question is whether you were, as that's one of the most sensible posts on the topic that I've seen.

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One further note on the rap music thing ..

Not only did these young boys create the music, they created empires. Many of them own the labels their music is on. Jay-Z, who came from nothing, probably has more money than Donald Trump, and his fiance', Beyonce, is one of the most sought after artist, male or female, on planet earth.

P Diddy is a millionaire many many times over and has his own empire.

Ice Cube, who started from nothing and was one of the more hard core gansta' rappers, currently has the 3rd most watched movie in America, "Are We Done Yet" .. and it's a family oriented movie .. that he owns.

Rap, although I don't listen to it, is not only the most widely listened to music on earth, it's also the most widely imitated. Today, there is even rap country. I watched a performance by Tim McGraw and Nelly a few days ago, and although I don't listen to country music either, I have a new respect for Tim McGraw.

All of rap is not gansta' obnoxious.

This imaginary girlfriend needs to grow up along with all those who chimed in with stupid comments.

It reminds me of when Jello Biafra sang: "I love gays, blacks and latinos, as long as they don't live next door. Love me, Love me, Love me, I'm a liberal!"

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black, i posted her comments based on what she believes.. personally i have no oppinion on shit like that.. i feel as tho i have no right to.. because i am not black. I do think that all the social programs and guilt and ideas of oppression should be pushed out eventually.. when ? i dont know.
i think eventually minorities should be able to stand on thier own feet and we should not have to give preferential treatment to anyone.

I think in the end that this was the true vision of martin luther king, not indefinet feelings of being a victim.. but actual excelling in society and being considered an equal.. I am against indefinent affirmative action.. i think the healthiest thing for society would to phase it out eventually.

also she does not hate all rap music.. nor do i.. she hates the 'bubble gum hip hop' she likes old school rap.. when it meant something, when it was talking about how horrible the ghettos are.. instead of how great they are. the name of the guy escapes me..
I am prefer the old school blues men myself cuz i am a guitarist. but i do like some rap songs if they have really good lyrics. but the shit about rims and hoes.. i mean fuckin hub caps thats all they are.. glorified hubcaps. lloll

so ya like the old school guys doing good shit man im all for it. My friend is not what you think she is, she thinks its racist that white people think that SHE needs money or help simply because shes black.. shes the kinda person who believes she can do anything based soley on her on determaination and does not need anyones pity or help.

i do think you have a point.. about pointing out examples and using them as a rule 'see, anti zionist jews' etc.. but the way she said it to me was an interesting way of putting it.

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I don't disagree with some of what you say here .. however, I'm 57 and when I grew up the parents of my generation thought that Elvis, George Clinton, and Jerry Lee Lewis were the antichrist. They hated the music we listened to .. which is no different today. I couldn't care less about rap music that glorifies rims and bling. You'll find that in other forms of music. It's not my generation and it's not up to me to decide and just talking to black people about rap music will not solve the problem when the majority of its buyers are white, particularly white males.

Deeper than that, rap music is not the problem, it's an excuse. There are on-going efforts to tame the degradation of women in it and some of those efforts are working, but these guys are making billions of dollars off of it and creating empires. Some of them have stakes in professional sports teams.

I took offense to your girlfriends assertion that she is shunned by other blacks because she's smart and doesn't like rap music, but I would say to her that perhaps she should look deeper into her own character to see what the real reason may be. There are lots of smart black girls who don't like rap music.

Additionally, and I hate to keep harping on it, but it's real, blacks have only been sort-of free for 41 years after nearly 400 years of degradation and oppression. Within those 41 years we have made tremendous gains, but thios society has not completly corrected itself. There still remains much discrimination. Affirmative Action is not about whether blacks can stand on there on, but whether this society can. It cannot. Frankly, the biggest beneficieries of AA have been white women, who also needed it to make this society become what it proports to be. Evidence of discrimination that still lingers against blacks are everywhere to be found and those who suffer from it are more aware of that evidence than those who do not.

America is getting better, but it's getting better because people struggled and forced it to get better, it didn't happen on its own. One cannot take any serious look at the criminal justice system and come away thinking that discrimination and prejudice does not exist. One cannot take a serious look at how blacks are portrayed and devalued in America and say that we have magically arrived at parity.

Are there still lingering problems within the black community? Absolutely. But all of us exist in a violent, sexist, and greedy money first society. In America, money is more important than God and anything else. It isn't just black society that needs fixing, we all do.

If you want to actually see why Dr. King was murdered, take a look at the picture of him and Malcolm X standing together smiling and shaking hands. King knew that non-violence was not, in itself, the answer. He would be as involved in the struggle today as he was then.

Dialouge and spirituality are what we need brother. Not pointing fingers and making enemies of each other.

I do not wish to make an enemy of you.. but you need to understand that there is a different perspective.

i think it really depends on what community you live in and how you get your perspective on certain people.. like right now.. i live in hollywood and she lives in inner city Los angelos.. bout 9 miles away actually. and shes fed up with all the loser men that are old enough to be her parents without jobs and cars living with thier moms hitting on her.. she thinks that to them getting a job and being successful is what 'the man' wants them to do. and she thinks that they are doing some retarded rebellion or something..

she thinks that in order to end racism they must stop giving racists a chance to say 'see look poor stupid black men' and get a f-in job. she says the stereotypes of black men are very common where she lives.. she says that it would be a loss of thier own pride for them to get a job..

which is strange because i always thought it was the opposite.. prideless people dont get a job..

but you know i first met her in arizona and met up with her later here.. she dont have the same feelings about everyone in general. but talks to me about her experiances in inner city LA. so thats the prism she sees things through.

and you know you maybe right.. maybe some of them just cant get jobs.. but ill tell you what i walk down hollywood boulevard and see now hiring signs in literally every other fuckin store in holly wood.. its a tourist trap there are so many souviener shops its rediculous.. and only 9 miles away. and you know i am sure there are plenty of jobs elsewhere too..

i hope your not suggesting violence is an answer to the current situation btw.. .

ill tell you my hero.. everyones hero especially guitarists.. jimmy hendrix.. i think that man if you know the story he was approached by black separatists to join thier movement and he rejected it.. i mean i wouldn have blamed him for joining considering all the shit that was going down at the time but like in terms of like total like i dunno man.. i just really admire a guy like that. i think he did almost as much as martin luther king in terms of making us be like more.. non separate people.. he was more into the love thing. like all people admire him,,

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Racism is deeply connected to democracy. They go hand in hand.
Yet the distortion might come when one starts to consider that racism usually means sheer actions.
Just like for another creed, one can describe several groups: racist fanatics, racist regular practicing people and racist cultural people.
It is only in times of great tensions the groups tend to merge into one: racist fanatics.

are you familiar with John Mcwhorter? i suggest reading "losing the race"...this is not ridiculous at all and just shows how disconnected you are with "your own"....

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Bringing other facts into this democratically funny thread:
other countries should be poured with blacks and latinos as well so they could experience how it feels.

Big issue with such a statement is that the democratic us have been having a stern policy when it comes to immigration from black africa.

From the very start of the democratic us, black people were present on the north american soil and along the history, they always account for a similar share of the democratic us population, around 10 per cent (actually the trend is a decreasing one)

Only by the end of the 1960s, black people from the caribbean world area started to migrate to the democratic us and dark african people started to by the beginning of the 1980s.
And this, in a weak manner, black immigration never making the biggest part of a yearly figure.

So the very bulk of nowadays black population is an indigenous population with no other links than those to the democratic us.
Still they keep appearing as migrants who pour into the democratic us.
Another evidence that a democratic society simply fail to integrate.