Originally Posted by Diuretic

Do people care if they drink liquor in front of their children?

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



Many do not. I do care if other people drink in front of my children or while my children are in their care.

In Peace,
Eglaelin

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



Addiction is not another problem entirely. If people were not addicted there would not be a need for drug control. If everyone that tried drugs simply tried them, or used them every once in a while, then this would be a simple problem to address. However, drug use doesn't work that way. Many drugs are instantly addictive. Meth, heroin, cocaine and others create an instant addictive impulse.

The original post ignored the very real issue of the impact of drug use on others beside the user. These are deep and troubling issues that are almost never addressed by those advocating legalization of drugs. They assume that the only person of concern is the drug user and ignore the impact on the lives of others. There seems to be a fantasy that if we legalize drugs all of a sudden the addicts will start thinking clearly about their use of drugs and start being responsible. I have never seen any indication that this occurs during srug use. None of the drug users I know have any sense of responsibilty concerning their drug of choice. They only care about getting more and spending their time sedated from reality.

I will give you one point. If we legalize drugs then people will realize the drug issue. I am quite sure that the addition of millions of addicts would bring the problem to national attention.

I will reiterate one of my statements. Drug use is a choice. In most circumstances, no one makes a person use drugs. If you know that drugs are illegal, and you choose to use them anyway, then your choice is to risk going to prison. If you don't want to go to jail or prison don't use drugs. If you do use drugs then accept that you are eventually going to go to prison.

In peace,
Eglaelin

PS. I wonder where people got the idea that drug use was good for you since so many people want to argue to make them legal. I must have missed all the famous and productive drug users in history.

Originally Posted by Westguy13

On a side note the only detrimental effects of both are from how they are injested, with the exception of Tobacco's very high addiction rates. If you stick Marijuana in a vaporizor there are 0 thats right 0 permenent detrimental effects outside memory loss from irresponsible use (smoking 7+ joints a day for a month or more)

Originally Posted by tamperpr00f

I have long believed that one of the major problems with the American system of justice is that we have far too many things that our courts consider criminal while being too soft on perpetrators of crimes. These things have created an unecessary "gray area". We ought to decriminalize any action which does not pose a direct and immediate threat to the safety or freedom of other citizens while simultaneously making prisons less comfortable and prison sentences stiffer.

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

If drug use is Ok does a childcare provider using drugs constitute a direct threat to your, or any, children. If drug use is legal what stops a caregiver from using marijuana, heroin, crack or meth while children are in their care. There are always more things to consider than most people think about.

Originally Posted by mpd8488

Nobody is arguing that drug abuse cannot be detrimental to society, but what people are beginning to realize is that our war on drugs does absolutely nothing to help this problem. In fact it really perpetuates these problems. The war on drugs does nothing to address the issues surrounding addiction and the reasons people make the choice to use drugs. The problems you listed are very real and apparent, but the criminal justice system is not equipped, nor should it be responsible for, trying to solve those problems.

Nobody is arguing that drugs should be legal because they are good for you, they are arguing that prohibition violates our liberties and does more harm than good in trying to figure out why so many people turn to drugs.

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



I should have said "children instead" of your "children".

If drug use is Ok does a childcare provider using drugs constitute a direct threat to your, or any, children.

Originally Posted by drgoodtrips

Since alcohol use is Ok, does someone drinking a beer constitute a direct threat to your children? Since alcohol use is legal, what stops a caregiver from using alcohol while your children are in their care? There are always more things to consider than most people think about.

Originally Posted by Slon

Depends on how well he/she operates while "under the influence."I'd say nothing should stop them by default, unless the caregiver signs a contract specifically saying they will not use the drugs, sing or wear earrings while providing the care.

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



Alcohol use is not ok according to my rules. People who know me and who would be asked to watch my children are aware of my rules. I believe that drinking a beer, or any alchohol, would be a direct threat to my chidren because it undermines the rules and examples I give them to live by. In addition, there is the fact that alcohol undermines judgement. I don't want people whose judgement is affected by chemical stimulants watching my children. Any one who violated this tenet of my lifestyle would be immediately removed from the circle of people I call friends.




I don't care how well you think you operate under drug or alcohol use. If I were contracting to a caregiver then alcohol use would be a contract breaker. I say that a caregiver is required by default to accept the contractual agreement to abstain from drugs and alcohol while watching children. If I were paying I would be paying them to watch the children. You cannot do that while under the effect of bodily toxins.

In peace,
Eglaelin

Originally Posted by Slon

So you are free to enter alcohol into the contract. Do you have proof that drinking alcohol makes a caregiver incapable of seeing (watching) children? Maybe your children specifically?

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



Effects of alcohol.

Are you trying to say that alcohol consumption doesn't affect the body when the effects are well documented. Alcohol, any alcohol, has an immediate effect.
I am sorry if you think its okay for someone drunk to watch your children but I do not.

In Peace,
Eglaelin

Originally Posted by Slon

Please quote where it says that drinking any alcohol will make a person unable to see kids.

Originally Posted by Eglaelin

Namaste,



That is the stupidest reply to a discussion that I have ever seen. Spoken like a true addict. Instead, of making a valid point you reply with sarcasm and inane conversation. Focus. Focus. Focus.

Eglaelin.