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~Snip~ I don’t like “Animal Farm“ style special rights and I don’t like bullies. These special rights for liberal groups should be for all and are unconstitutional.
Name ONE "special right" for liberal groups.
One!!! I mentioned two above. Even handicapped parking is illegal for the government to mandate against the populace. It’s a good idea for the private sector though…
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~Snip~ The bills do apply to all bullying.

Bills Would Prohibit Harassment and Bullying at School
NOT AS ORIGINALY WRITEN. It was specifically formatted to include only queer *cough* children. Legislators are the ones changing it, not the drafters or introducers who intended it only for homos…

I understand it’s not so much of a problem anymore parse, but I thought it would make an interesting discussion as this is what we do here.
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NOT AS ORIGINALY WRITEN. It was specifically formatted to include only queer *cough* children. Legislators are the ones changing it, not the drafters or introducers who intended it only for homos…

I understand it’s not so much of a problem anymore parse, but I thought it would make an interesting discussion as this is what we do here.
Bullshit, Hank. It was NOT drafted to only protect gay kids.

You still haven't come up with a "special right" for liberals. Handicapped people aren't liberal (or conservative) by nature.
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I agree, but some kids are just kinda wimpy while some bullies are real Biffs completely out of there league. I don’t like “Animal Farm“ style special rights and I don’t like bullies. These special rights for liberal groups should be for all and are unconstitutional.Don’t know the numbers on that one but it sounds more of a propaganda instigation. I couldn’t see a parent not loving their child under any circumstances
Many gay and trans kids get thrown out of their homes or are driven to run away from abuse by uneducated or religiously motivated parents.

I don't see that you have provided any examples of "special rights" for liberal groups. All children should be protected. I don't recall ever hearing about a homosexual parent beating a heterosexual child to make them change their orientation, but I know a lot of homosexual kids who have been beaten by heterosexual parents in an attempt to make them change their orientation.

Reading your many posts here, I have often wondered how you would treat a homosexual or transgendered child if you had one. Would you still love them and accept them for who they are? Or would you be one of the "my way or the highway" parents? If you really believe the stuff you post about homosexual/transsexual people wouldn't you try to force your kid to behave differently? How would you react if you got counseling for your son and the counselors told what I've been saying on this thread all along: sexual orientation in an innate quality. Would you be able to continue loving your son?
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One!!! I mentioned two above. Even handicapped parking is illegal for the government to mandate against the populace. It’s a good idea for the private sector though…
Agreed!!-- How about things like Seat belts and bike helmets? IMHO--SameO, sameO
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[quote=Hank;972786]NOT AS ORIGINALY WRITEN. It was specifically formatted to include only queer *cough* children. Legislators are the ones changing it, not the drafters or introducers who intended it only for homos…

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This bill enumerates every possible bullying tactic? Is that the premise behind citing Homosexuality?

No wonder its a stalled/failed bill. Bullying is bullying. If you are a bigger kid and you pick fights with weaker ones = bully.
Simple. No bill needed.
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Still can't do it, can you Bob? Doesn't even have anything to do with the topic.

What are you trying to prove, exactly?
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How about you come up with an original thought instead of quoting the same tired, biased, bullshit "sources," and putting "discuss" afterwards and calling it a topic?

If you've got a question, ask it for fuck's sake. Do I think bullying needs to be stopped? Yes. Is the school system fucked? Yes. What is your point?
Dude, chill. I didn’t mean the thread personally against you or anything, I didn’t even know you were queer.
You shouldn’t put so much into it. It’s just a discussion topic that exposes what George Orwell was trying to convey behind the Iron curtain when these socialists parliament legislations were taking over West Berlin. It began with special rights. Queer activists are part of a group that is normalizing this type of legislation. If you disagree please do it in some fashion near Oxford style debate format. If you wish to debate “source credibility” please start your own thread on it.
Try to pretend it really happened and lets go from there.
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I'm straight, and happily married.
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On this one, I agree, Hank. Yes, I actually do worry about gender-bender kids, but I also worry about fat ones, shy ones, nerds and even cheerleaders. Schools should be a no bullying zone - and it should be rigorously enforced.

Children who run afoul of that can be sent to military-discipline type schools, IMHO


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Michiganders warned about 'anti-bullying' bill
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A Michigan family group is accusing lawmakers in that state of kowtowing to homosexual activists after the recent amendment of a purported "anti-bullying" bill. The group would prefer the lawmakers approve a bill that protects all students -- not just special groups.

The original language of the bill, HB 4162, segregated students into categories based on personal or behavioral characteristics, including "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression."

Source: Michiganders warned about 'anti-bullying' bill (OneNewsNow.com)

Commentary: Sigh! I wasn’t aware that children new enough about sex to know if they’re queer or not, but I remember getting beat up because I had long hair. Why not just stop bullying period. You know, for all kids.
We really have a lot of stupid flipping people in decision making positions.

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Hey, I'm a teacher, and it's possible to raise kids to not bulyy. Yeah, there will always be subtle manipulation, but you can get rid of name calling and violence, and build community with kids.

Of course, I'm a Montessorian, so we work with the entire child.


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Being bullied can be as emotionally traumatic as other kinds of abuse. I am not sure how this can be effectively legislated, children are incredibly cruel. It's really up to parents to arm their children with defense mechanisms if they are being bullied. Time for dads to stop secretly hating their dorky or gay sons and show them support and love so they don't have to feel as if they face bullying alone. But is it time for the state to act? Well, maybe not so much.
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I had to look Montessorian up…
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On this one, I agree, Hank. Yes, I actually do worry about gender-bender kids, but I also worry about fat ones, shy ones, nerds and even cheerleaders. Schools should be a no bullying zone - and it should be rigorously enforced.

Children who run afoul of that can be sent to military-discipline type schools, IMHO
I agree 100%. I know your old enough ( ) to remember school in the 60’s when no action was taken. Here in the south they have a P.C. protected “Cracker Day” were blacks assault whites and no action is taken. I mean, without consequences for actions what do they think will become of this. Could you imagine the press and reaction if there was a homo day!!!
All children deserve a safe environment, that’s why these special rights legislations erk me. I’m happy they had the insight to change the original wording of only certain kids to all kids.
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I agree 100%. I know your old enough ( ) to remember school in the 60’s when no action was taken. Here in the south they have a P.C. protected “Cracker Day” were blacks assault whites and no action is taken. I mean, without consequences for actions what do they think will become of this. Could you imagine the press and reaction if there was a homo day!!!
All children deserve a safe environment, that’s why these special rights legislations erk me. I’m happy they had the insight to change the original wording of only certain kids to all kids.
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I've never heard of this "cracker day", but if there was a "homo day" would that be a day when groups of homosexuals could roam the streets beating up or killing Christians--in the same way that Christians have been doing to homosexuals?
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