Michiganders warned about 'anti-bullying' bill
Allie Martin
One News Now
April 11, 2007

Michigan- A Michigan family group is accusing lawmakers in that state of kowtowing to homosexual activists after the recent amendment of a purported "anti-bullying" bill. The group would prefer the lawmakers approve a bill that protects all students -- not just special groups.

The original language of the bill, HB 4162, segregated students into categories based on personal or behavioral characteristics, including "sexual orientation" and "gender identity or expression."

Source: Michiganders warned about 'anti-bullying' bill (OneNewsNow.com)

Commentary: Sigh! I wasn’t aware that children new enough about sex to know if they’re queer or not, but I remember getting beat up because I had long hair. Why not just stop bullying period. You know, for all kids.
We really have a lot of stupid flipping people in decision making positions.

Discuss.

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is wierdo and dork in the behavioral characteristics?

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Gee, Hank, your "source" once again fails to tell the truth:

Lansing State Journal: Politics snare bill against bullying: GOP opposes version listing sexual orientation

West Michigan News from the Grand Haven Tribune a Michigan Newspaper


It's too bad that you're so hung up on homosexuality to see what's really going on.

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im going to have to go through the list and find something i can bully people on.. perhaps freckles, stench? it would be completely lawful.

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Sounds like that's what they want to so. SO????

Aaa yea, I can see how one would get the bill being stalled as it not existing…

Look, the bill existed as sourced. It’s stalled and being altered. The thread is on it’s original content before Republicans objected. Stop smoke and mirroring my threads and debate the topic.
How do you feel about it and what is your opinun of such a bill being intruduced in the first place?What is it with you guys and these plants on members being full of shit when they post a thread they disagree with?
Debate the flipping thread or go color or something so “those who do” know the topic isn’t the poster or his source…

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It’s not what they originally wanted to… Oh never mind, fuck…

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Being bullied can be as emotionally traumatic as other kinds of abuse. I am not sure how this can be effectively legislated, children are incredibly cruel. It's really up to parents to arm their children with defense mechanisms if they are being bullied. Time for dads to stop secretly hating their dorky or gay sons and show them support and love so they don't have to feel as if they face bullying alone. But is it time for the state to act? Well, maybe not so much.

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I detest political correct laws in all shapes and sizes. Unless they change it to apply to ALL bullying, I think it's a farce.

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How about you come up with an original thought instead of quoting the same tired, biased, bullshit "sources," and putting "discuss" afterwards and calling it a topic?


If you've got a question, ask it for fuck's sake. Do I think bullying needs to be stopped? Yes. Is the school system fucked? Yes. What is your point?

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The bills do apply to all bullying.

Bills Would Prohibit Harassment and Bullying at School

House Bill 4091 (Vagnozzi, D-37) would require the Department of Education to develop a model policy applicable to grades K-12 that prohibits bullying or harassment at school, and make the model policy available to schools. This bill strongly encourages schools to adopt the Department of Education's model policy and to work with local law enforcement agencies in the implementation of the policy.

House Bill 4162 (Byrnes, D-52) would require schools to adopt and implement a policy that prohibited harassment or bullying at schools. The board must hold at least one public hearing on the proposed policy, which may be held as part of a regular board meeting. No later than thirty days after adopting the policy, the board must submit a copy of the policy to the Department of Education.

The Department of Education will then submit a report to the Senate and House standing committees on education summarizing the status of the implementation of policies prohibiting harassment and bullying in schools.

The policy would apply to bullying on school buses and at school-sponsored events as well as on school premises. Bullying that occurs using a telecommunication access device such as a computer would be prohibited.

Under House Bill 4162, "bullying or harassment" means conduct that meets all of the following:


--is directed at one or more pupils;


--substantially interferes with educational opportunities, benefits, or programs of one or more pupils;


--adversely affects the ability of a pupil to participate in educational programs or activities by placing the pupil in reasonable fear of physical harm or by causing emotional distress;


--is reasonably perceived to be motivated by an actual or perceived characteristic, such as height, weight, religion, race, color, ancestry, national origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or general identity or expression, or by socioeconomic status or a mental, physical, or sensory disability or impairment, or is reasonably perceived to be based on association with another person who has or is perceived to have any of these characteristics or any other distinguishing characteristic.
House Bills 4091 and 4162 are tie-barred together, which means neither will be enacted unless they both are enacted. Both Bills are currently before the House Education Committee.

AFT Michigan: Take Action: Capitol Report: March 2007



HB 4162 makes it more difficult for stupid, ignorant, insensitive, uncaring, mean-spirited, Bible-banging, homophobic assholes in positions of authority to look the other way in situations like this:

I’m here to speak in support of Matt’s Safe Schools Law, because I think it would make a profound impact on my school, and schools across Michigan. I’m eighteen years old and a senior at Dearborn High school in Dearborn. All my years of middle and high school, have been marked with an inexcusable amount of bullying, and many students and staff members, seem to have no idea how to handle it.

I am gay and out at my high school, and nearly every day I experience people pushing me, or yelling threats and insults. People slam into me in the hall, pretending it’s an accident. They yell that I don’t belong there, and to get out before someone makes me. I know that teachers see and hear these things, but what I don’t know is if their inaction is because they don’t know what to do, or because they don’t want to bother.

And I am not alone. Friends who have reported harassment to a counselor have gotten all kinds of unhelpful reactions, ranging from "I can’t do anything about that," to "Oh well, you can just get over it," and even "You brought this upon yourself by caring what other people think." One friend had kids throwing volleyballs and screaming "Dyke!" while the gym teacher stood by seeing everything and doing nothing.

I know that some teachers want to help, but because the school board of this district is known to be somewhat conservative, they are afraid to help or speak up. I want to emphasize this point. We live in a conservative state, and many people harbor negative feelings toward minorities. But those same conservative values are keeping teachers and counselors from protecting us. Most kids, including me, just don’t know who to turn to in the school. It would make such a difference to so many students to know that when someone was harassing them, they had a place to turn to. Please support House Bill 4162 today.

Thank you again for your time and listening to my testimony.

Robin Greenwood
Dearborn, MI

Student testifies before Michigan House Committee about Matt's Law.



Personally, I don't like to see things like this having to be legislated, but I see it doing more good than harm in this case.

I shudder to think that Hank and I agree on anything, but I agree that the bill should cover ALL children and ALL types of bullying. Apparently it does that according to OmegaEps post. It's too bad that it has to come to this, I don't like having to legislate things like this either.

Hank, you really need to get better informed on the issues before you post. Many gay kids know very early on that they are attracted to the same sex. Most heterosexual kids know about their sexual attractions too, but since they are in line with the expectations of our society, no one thinks about it.

In much the same way, transgendered kids often know too that they are not the gender they were assigned at birth. My business partner was raiding her Mom's closet at the age of 3 to get nightgowns to sleep in. Almost all children know whether they are male or female before they are 5 years old. It's important not to confuse sex with gender, 5 year olds don't know about sex, but they do know their gender.

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I agree, but some kids are just kinda wimpy while some bullies are real Biffs completely out of there league. I don’t like “Animal Farm“ style special rights and I don’t like bullies. These special rights for liberal groups should be for all and are unconstitutional.Don’t know the numbers on that one but it sounds more of a propaganda instigation. I couldn’t see a parent not loving their child under any circumstances…

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Exactly…
It really bums me out that if you get in a bar fight with mutual guilt and blame as the other guy “who turns out to be a government worker or queer,” you go to prison while he gets community service.

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Name ONE "special right" for liberal groups.

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