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Vegan couple found guilty of killing malnourished baby

Vegan couple found guilty of killing malnourished baby


A Superior Court jury in Atlanta convicted a vegan (VEE-gun) couple of murder and cruelty to children today in the death of their six-week old, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

Twenty-seven-year-old Jade Sanders and 31-year-old and Lamont Thomas will receive automatic life sentences for starving the boy, who weighed just three-and-a-half pounds when he died.

Defense lawyers said the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to the lifestyle of vegans, who typically use no animal products. They said Sanders and Thomas did not realize the baby, who was born at home, was in danger until minutes before he died.

WIStv.com Columbia, SC: Vegan couple found guilty of killing malnourished baby


Lets be vegans

These mental cases starved their own fuckin' kid to death. Because they "wouldn't use animal products". Humans are OMNIVORES, We're SUPPOSED to eat "animal products".

God people do stupid shit. Glad they get life sentences. They deserve it.
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These mental cases starved their own fuckin' kid to death. Because they "wouldn't use animal products". Humans are OMNIVORES, We're SUPPOSED to eat "animal products".

God people do stupid shit. Glad they get life sentences. They deserve it.
While I personally find the idea of veganism to be completely retarded, I do think it's possible to raise a healthy baby on a vegan diet. As such, the vegan diet in this case is a red herring. This baby died due to bad parenting and nothing else.
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While I personally find the idea of veganism to be completely retarded, I do think it's possible to raise a healthy baby on a vegan diet. As such, the vegan diet in this case is a red herring. This baby died due to bad parenting and nothing else.
That's a good point actually. I won't offhandedly agree that it was strictly bad parenting that led to this kids dying though. Poor judgement and poor CHOICE played a part in it (obviously), but we don't know if these people outright refused ... we don't know the minute by minute circumstances that led to this. That these peoples "vegan" dietary choice played a large PART of causing the kid to die seems obvious at least.


He STARVED to death fer chrissakes. Over six WEEKS.

What ?

We're these two loonies too high to notice this infants distress ? That wouldn't surprise me a bit. What fucked up people.
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But, yes. With some knowledge of the dietary requirements of Homo Sapiens Sapiens you CAN acually get away with a vegan diet.

It's a LOT of work though. There are some nutrients generally supplied from animal flesh that need to be compensated for by eating more of certain things and even maybe supplementing.

Obviously these two had no business being "vegans" and trying to administer a strict "vegen" diet to their newborn.

They'll pay for their ignorance.
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But, yes. With some knowledge of the dietary requirements of Homo Sapiens Sapiens you CAN acually get away with a vegan diet.

It's a LOT of work though. There are some nutrients generally supplied from animal flesh that need to be compensated for by eating more of certain things and even maybe supplementing.

Obviously these two had no business being "vegans" and trying to administer a strict "vegen" diet to their newborn.

They'll pay for their ignorance.
Yea, they were complete idiots.

I just did a quick google search and there are mounds of pages available that provide plenty of information how to raise a healthy happy baby on a vegan diet. These parents obviously did no research on the matter and I guess just figured that if it was okay for them, it was okay for the baby.
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Breast milk is the best way to grow a healthy baby. Did they think breast milk was an animal product?
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Breast milk is the best way to grow a healthy baby. Did they think breast milk was an animal product?
It is an animal product.
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Oddly enough, breast feeding is okay for vegans...
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Oddly enough, breast feeding is okay for vegans...
I suppose that cannibalism is probably hunk-dory as well.
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Breast milk is the best way to grow a healthy baby. Did they think breast milk was an animal product?
I was thinking the same thing. 6 weeks old...apple juice...why not just give the baby jolly ranchers to suck on. The vegan diet was no match for the incompetence of the parents.
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Breast milk is the best way to grow a healthy baby. Did they think breast milk was an animal product?
your not serious..
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I suppose that cannibalism is probably hunk-dory as well.
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I had always known the dairy industry was cruel, especially the separation of calf and mother, but it was not until my first child was born five years ago that the full impact of this hit me. In my arms was my small helpless baby totally dependent on me for milk. The thought of my baby being denied this was a terrible notion, yet for many it is still not acceptable to deprive the calf of its mother’s milk in order to “feed” humans. I made another shocking discovery. It is not just calves that are deprived of their mother’s milk. Many human babies are deprived of their birthright – their own mother’s milk. Government statistics for 2000 show that at birth only 69% of babies are breast fed and this drops to 52% at two weeks and only 21% at six months. The World Health Organisation recommends exclusive breast feeding for the first six months of life and that breast feeding continues for the first two years of life. The alternative for these babies is artificial milk, which in no way matches the superiority of breast milk and usually contains cows' milk in some form.

I decided to train as a breastfeeding counsellor with the Association of Breastfeeding Mothers so that I could support women who wanted to breastfeed. I would urge all other vegans to support and encourage women to breastfeed. If all babies were breastfed we would have a healthier population and there would be less demand for cows' milk.
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wow - this is...twilight zone material here.
I guess the apparently believe if all the mother eats is plant material that a human is now a vegetable.
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It is an animal product.
HAHA! I guess!

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I suppose that cannibalism is probably hunk-dory as well.
I think they draw the line there.

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your not serious..
I'm serious about breast milk being the best for the baby, do you disagree? I'm serious about these dumbells thinking breast milk is an animal product, therefore they can't breast feed, why else would they deprive their baby of it?

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There ya go, that's smart vegans.

The vegans this thread is about are obviously not the sharpest vegetable knives in the drawer.

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wow - this is...twilight zone material here.
I guess the apparently believe if all the mother eats is plant material that a human is now a vegetable.
Huh? Where did that reasoning come from?
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There ya go, that's smart vegans.

The vegans this thread is about are obviously not the sharpest vegetable knives in the drawer.
I wouldn't necessarily say 'smart' due to them basing their entire eating habits over an inaccurate view of the dairy industry.

Farmers know that in order to produce good milk, they have to have good cows. And they know that in order to have good cows, they must get good milk. In the large majority of farms (in fact, just about all the ones I'm familiar with), calves are breast fed from their mothers. It saves time and money from having to hand feed the calves yourself.

Cows are milked a single time every day. This is due to time constraints in larger farms with hundreds of milk bearing cows and also keeps the quality of milk higher. The rest of the day, the cows graze and tend to their young.
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