Parent Sues Chicago School Board Over Brokeback Mountain Showing

[SMadsen]

Originally Posted by Hank

We merely counter attacks on us.

That is indeed what you do.

But it's always surprising to learn what you actually think is an attack.

[iamwhatiseem]

Brokeback Mountain showing in a middle school is no different than showing soft porn.

[iTaliAN_ICe]

Well.. considering brokeback isn't softcore porn i'd say it's pretty different.

The sub showing a movie isn't a problem. In my grade school experience I don't think I ever encountered a substitute who really cared about learning or anything besides getting through the day. The problem isn't that it was (literally) a gay movie. The problem is that if the class wasn't 18, permission slips should have been signed before an r-rated movie was shown. Grampa is kind of freaking out over it, which isn't helping the situation at all. Fire the sub and move on, this is crap.

[3.14]

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

Brokeback Mountain showing in a middle school is no different than showing soft porn.

This, with all due respect is the second most asinine (after Hank's point of equating gay sex to having sex with one's grandmother) point brought up in this thread.

Originally Posted by SMadsen

And the obvious question here is of course how someone could get traumatized by a kiss, or any other action in the same category of affection, and not get traumatized by masses of dying people.

Trivial I know. We don't even notice. But still.

Exactly. Plus, I notice none of those that have come out against showing Brokeback mountain have bothered to directly the answer the question on what they'd do if another movie was shown where the lead actor kissed the lead actress. I guess a kiss is only acceptable so long as a man kisses a woman, but God forbid gays actually kiss each other other! Oh my! The world would come to an end!!

But yes, you raise an interesting point - how exactly does a kiss traumatize people, but not scores of dying people? I wonder what the reaction would be here if these kids were shown Black Hawk Down, for instance ...

[Mrs. M]

Originally Posted by 3.14

Exactly. Plus, I notice none of those that have come out against showing Brokeback mountain have bothered to directly the answer the question on what they'd do if another movie was shown where the lead actor kissed the lead actress. I guess a kiss is only acceptable so long as a man kisses a woman, but God forbid gays actually kiss each other other! Oh my! The world would come to an end!!

If the movie is rated 'R', I don't care who's kissing in it, it shouldn't be shown to 8th graders.

[3.14]

Originally Posted by Mrs. M

If the movie is rated 'R', I don't care who's kissing in it, it shouldn't be shown to 8th graders.

Well, then your position is at least consistent.

Thanks for clarifying ...

[Hank]

Originally Posted by iTaliAN_ICe

The religious right uses the argument "homosexuality is a sin" constantly.

I think it’s more of a media thingy and a few burninhellevangelist, it‘s no worse then having sex before marriage or masturbating. When Joslin Elders wanted to teach our children to masturbate and shit, we also objected.

I'm just suprised that I know more about the religion they love so much than they do. They're either ignorant or twisting the words of the bible to say what they want. Either one is bad.

We’re a mix the same as anyone else. This movie was made and shown for the sole purpose of normalizing a sexual fantasy into societal application.

[Hank]

Originally Posted by SMadsen

That is indeed what you do.

But it's always surprising to learn what you actually think is an attack.

[iamwhatiseem]

Originally Posted by 3.14

This, with all due respect is the second most asinine (after Hank's point of equating gay sex to having sex with one's grandmother) point brought up in this thread.



Exactly. Plus, I notice none of those that have come out against showing Brokeback mountain have bothered to directly the answer the question on what they'd do if another movie was shown where the lead actor kissed the lead actress. I guess a kiss is only acceptable so long as a man kisses a woman, but God forbid gays actually kiss each other other! Oh my! The world would come to an end!!

But yes, you raise an interesting point - how exactly does a kiss traumatize people, but not scores of dying people? I wonder what the reaction would be here if these kids were shown Black Hawk Down, for instance ...

WHy do you keep mentioning a kiss? You obviously don't know the film.


The movie contains numerous nudity scenes and sexual encounters not fit for children. The teacher had an obvious agenda - show kids a gay film, I believe knowing full well he would never be called back.

This is not about a film with only a kiss
Why are you marginalizing it?

[3.14]

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

WHy do you keep mentioning a kiss? You obviously don't know the film.The movie contains numerous nudity scenes and sexual encounters not fit for children.

Perhaps you could provide a source to back your assertions up since you obviously know the film so well.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

The teacher had an obvious agenda - show kids a gay film, I believe knowing full well he would never be called back.

Ah, now we come to the meat of the matter. You don't like that the teacher showed them a gay film, but would be perfectly OK with a movie depicting heterosexual acts. Am I close?

I believe you are the one with an agenda.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

This is not about a film with only a kiss
Why are you marginalizing it?

You haven't answered the question I posed.

[iamwhatiseem]

Originally Posted by 3.14

Ah, now we come to the meat of the matter. You don't like that the teacher showed them a gay film, but would be perfectly OK with a movie depicting heterosexual acts. Am I close?

I believe you are the one with an agenda.

On what basis would you make the assumption that I think it is ok to show children sex scenes??

As I said (that you ignored) - the film had full frontal nudity, and numerous sexual encounters in the film and that is why it is wrong. The film had as many heterosexual scenes as it did gay, after all the characters were bi-sexual.

As a separate comment I said it is pretty obvious the teacher had an agenda...if you can't see that, I can't help you.

[SMadsen]

Originally Posted by Hank

I think it’s more of a media thingy and a few burninhellevangelist, it‘s no worse then having sex before marriage or masturbating. When Joslin Elders wanted to teach our children to masturbate and shit, we also objected.

Someone wanted to teach your kids how to shit? Dang. I would imagine the janitor objected, at least.

[JHC]

Originally Posted by 3.14

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Exactly. Plus, I notice none of those that have come out against showing Brokeback mountain have bothered to directly the answer the question on what they'd do if another movie was shown where the lead actor kissed the lead actress. I guess a kiss is only acceptable so long as a man kisses a woman, but God forbid gays actually kiss each other other! Oh my! The world would come to an end!!

But yes, you raise an interesting point - how exactly does a kiss traumatize people, but not scores of dying people? I wonder what the reaction would be here if these kids were shown Black Hawk Down, for instance ...

I'm sorry but you exaggerate here. Mrs. M and I had both responded directly to this point when you posted "I notice none of those that have come out against showing...have bothered to directly [sic] answer the question..."

"PG" stands for "Parental Guidance" suggested. Parental. "R" is "Restricted" viewing. Your exaggeration has painted me with the same brush as Hank and I resent it. Homosexuality is not the issue for me.

[pramjockey]

The problem with the MPAA rating system is its bias against nudity and tolerance for violence.

PG-13 movies are allowed significant amounts of violence. But, the simple display of a woman's nipple? R rating. What's really going to cause more damage to kids?

[3.14]

Originally Posted by JHC

I'm sorry but you exaggerate here. Mrs. M and I had both responded directly to this point when you posted "I notice none of those that have come out against showing...have bothered to directly [sic] answer the question..."

Mrs M's response was unclear the first time, at least to me. If you notice, she clarified once more and I had no problem thereafter.

Originally Posted by JHC

"PG" stands for "Parental Guidance" suggested. Parental. "R" is "Restricted" viewing. Your exaggeration has painted me with the same brush as Hank and I resent it. Homosexuality is not the issue for me.

I apologize. I did not mean to imply that you were against gays ...

However, what you are calling exaggeration is likely a misunderstanding.

As for the "R", well, if your not OK with kids seeing any R movie, which is what you seem to be saying, then your position is perfectly consistent as well.

Originally Posted by iamwhatiseem

As I said (that you ignored) - the film had full frontal nudity, and numerous sexual encounters in the film and that is why it is wrong. The film had as many heterosexual scenes as it did gay, after all the characters were bi-sexual.

You didn't provide a source for your argument. Anyway, I researched a bit (I haven't seen the actual film, just read reviews) and it just had two BRIEF heterosexual scenes, with some nudity, and full frontal (male) nudity in one shot from what I read, but thats it. I personally think kids are exposed to far more these days ...

However, if your point is essentially the same as JHC's above, then I apologize - I did not mean what I said as a personal insult at all.