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Old 07-25-2007
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

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What makes you think these amendments apply to illegals?
The amendments restrict the government, they aren't something a US citizen is entitled to. If a US citizen goes to a foreign country, his rights in that country are what that country says they are. If a foreigner, legal or illegal, is in the US, he has the same rights as anyone else in the US.
The constitution doesn't give people rights, it restricts what the government can do.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

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Jesus - what do the loonies want? They want them to turn them loose because "gee, it might look bad if we keep finding that the criminals are illegals" - what kinda horse shit is that?

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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

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The amendments restrict the government, they aren't something a US citizen is entitled to. If a US citizen goes to a foreign country, his rights in that country are what that country says they are. If a foreigner, legal or illegal, is in the US, he has the same rights as anyone else in the US.
The constitution doesn't give people rights, it restricts what the government can do.

Per definition, a rule that restricts what the government can do to you, gives you the right not to be exposed to such action by the government. Thus, the US Constitution does gve people rights. However, it is rights vis-a-vis the US federal government, and by some amendments also the State governments. It does not give the individual rights vis-a-vis other indivuduals, there are other laws that sees to that, but it does gives the indivdual rights.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

Actually I think I remember something correctly - one of the clauses in the Amnesty bill that didn't pass was their status was upgraded "if they own real property".

I believe what the stipulation is, how was the property purchased? If it was purchased through the benefit of committing criminal acts - then it is seizable. And if I read the article right, this appears to be the case.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

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To clarify... my rationale is that any monetary or property gains on the part of illegal immigrants were earned during the commission of a crime, by definition. It is my understanding that criminals are not entitled to keep money or property that they obtained illegally.
Then to apply the law equally then, the property of their employers should also be seized; as well as the owner of the trailer park.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

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Does the police department have a right to come to your home, without a warrant, and demand identification and proof of citizenship?
If they're a sanctuary city then no, and if they find out that someone is there illegally they can't call the feds to let them know.

Usually though these days the feds don't even do that in fear of being accussed of racial profiling.
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Here's the question; do illegal aliens have a right to own property in the US?
No obviously not and even resident (legal) aliens aren't even allowed to by property or invest in a company unless they have an investor Visa i think.
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No obviously not and even resident (legal) aliens aren't even allowed to by property or invest in a company unless they have an investor Visa i think.
ACtually they can Traveler.
I have several relatives who have owned homes for several years, and all they have is a green card. They pay property taxes as well - which creates a whole different situation - you pay taxes to the government...
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

A Greencard covers that, it also allows you to work which ordinarily to do you would need a non migrant or migrant work visa. Without a greencard or specific visa i don't think anyone can.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

I didn't see anything in the story about the illegals' property being confiscated. What I saw was that they were detained when discovered while police were looking for a rapist (who also was an illegal). Am I missing something?
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No obviously not and even resident (legal) aliens aren't even allowed to by property or invest in a company unless they have an investor Visa i think.
Apparently illegals are buying property. And this automatically protects them, and the illegaly purchased property, under the 5th.

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If they're a sanctuary city then no, and if they find out that someone is there illegally they can't call the feds to let them know.

Usually though these days the feds don't even do that in fear of being accussed of racial profiling.
I'm not talking about illegal aliens. I'm talking about you, the American citizen.

Does the government have the right to come to your door and demand proof of legal residency without a warrant?
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

Well that's the whole thing, they dont know who is who, who is legal and who isn't.

Technically under the law the INS can any (so that may include citizes if they mae the mistake of asking a citizen they thought was just a resident) person they want about their status but the (local) police and F.B.I. cannot.
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Then to apply the law equally then, the property of their employers should also be seized; as well as the owner of the trailer park.
I have no issue with assets of employers being seized for knowingly hiring illegal immigrants. The same logic applies - if the company made X dollars from the labor of illegals, then X dollars should be seized.
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Re: Seizing Property from Illegals

But prooving that it was knowingly is very difficult.
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