Governments are instituted among men to secure these rights....
Illegal immigrants in any country are only afforded the rights that country is willing to extend to them. The other side of the coin would be that the laws of a government does not extend to immigrants because they are not citizens. If that was true then illegals could commit crimes with impunity. At any rate if this congress wanted to achieve something they could attempt to define what if any rights illegals should have rather then wasting time playing political games and trying to drum up charges against this administration.

/nod

Varus

Ide hate to go to another country where they say I am there illegally, then take my belongings away. I worked for and earned the money to have such belongings.
I dont think anyone has the right to assume the belongings were earned illegally unless there is proof of that.
Just my take on it.

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So where in the original link does it say that the police took the illegals' belongings away?

That doesn't terrify you?

The thought of the government having the right to invade my personal property to demand anything from me without due process makes me very nervous.

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They've been able to do that for years. Now that illegals might be caught you have a problem with it?

You didn't seem to mind when Reno did that to Elian Gonzales or ruby ridge or waco.

Varus

What property of the illegals did the government seize?

You should consider a macro to help you post the same thing over and over again...

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You know, I really try to discuss things rationally with you; can you please stop making these vast assumptions and generalizations? It is hardly an issue for me suddenly because it may involve illegal aliens.

I don't know how you could possibly know how I felt about Waco, Ruby Ridge, or Elian Gonzales, given that I wasn't here for any of those events.

To the best of my knowledge, Waco and Ruby Ridge both involved the service of warrants. Elian clearly was being kept from his father, who had a legal right to his son. If it were up to me, the distant relatives that held him should all have been tried for kidnapping. Of course, that has nothing to do with the US Government coming to private property and demanding proof of legal residence.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Personally no, but then again i'm not an illegal immigrant who has anything to hide. However if the INS did ever come up to me i'd be mighty pissd off if they woke me up or disturbed me from doing something important like brushing my teeth, the inconvenience factor is highly frustrating in any involvement with authority which is why whenever i question anyone or interrogate or anything or even sit in on them i try and be as equally infuriating and times taking as everyone else. Imagine working at Guitmo...it must take them years to get round to doing anything! lol: Does it terrify me, fuck no!

Well obviously the notion of the INS doing this to U.S. citizens is absurd but then if the INS knew who was who they wouldn't need to ask would they? The chances they'd actually mess it up and ask the wrong person is very unlikely. They don't need a warrant by law so your due process is not beig violated. Obviously they don't need warants for people they can't usually even identify the name of if they hopped over the border. They generally never ever get it wrong because everyone who came in legally is alwas known to th BCP and INS, so all they do is eliminate who's legal and go after everyone else.

Fascinating. You show much faith in the government.

Why wouldn't you trust them to handle your healthcare, retirement, or any other aspect of your life?

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
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I do...

And you call yourself a conservative?

Fascinating.

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Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Conservatives don't hate government the best i know.

I trust them a lot less on issues outside of national securiy but that's also because i don't have to worry about certain things like paying taxes.

You seem to have a real distrust of the government, any reasons? Any bad experiences?

and you say you love freedom. When you expect the govn to take care of you you're nothing more than a slave.

Varus