The bottom part of my post was highlighted and it got cut whe i hit enter so i edited it back in.

Okay so you've establshed that you don't care what 9-11 victims' families think (no real surprise there) and its what your interpretation of wht the constitution is. Thoe of us who wanna uphold the constitution (you know that whole protecting to the best of our ability bit) are the people you classify as the enemy.

So you don't think i'm as bad as Al Qaeda? Kind ofhard to tell seeing as you've said before about those who wanna protect the country being the ones who are destroying it from inside. Maybe the odd smiley might help next time.

That's cool. I just wanted to clarify why I was posting twice since I couldn't edit my other post any more.

1) Why should I care about the victims' families' opinions more than anyone else's? Did their losses make them experts on international relations? Security? Constitutional law?

2) Please, if you can, cite where the Constitution states that protecting the US trumps all other rights.

3) Demonstrate how violating the Bill of Rights makes us "safer."




Is this about the waterboarding comment?


A question for you: if the US loses all of the freedom that makes us so great, what point is there in "protecting" it?

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No, because you claim people (random people you choose) are as bad as the people who killed 3000 folk in a few hours, i think they may be a little offended, but like you said their opinion doesn't matter to you, or their hurt i assume.

Well which part of the constitution would you think is the most important.

What's the point of upholding the constitution if there'sno America anymore as its been blown to kingdom kong?

Now how does any of this violate the Bill of Rights?

Ah ok so you were joking about the Waterboarding comment and not the one abot me being as bad a Bin Laden?

And if we get destroyed by terrorists that Muhamme apparently told Bin Laden to send what good is the constitution?

yeah, I am a cold hearted bastard. I care nothing for the hurting of others.




All of it.

Do you really think that's possible? The same question goes to you - if we become North Korea II, is that worth saving?


Read the 4th Amendment.


Never said you were as bad as Bin Laden. I said that you are as much of a threat to the US as any terrorist, if you believe what you wrote.


And, it's entirely possible that monkeys may fly out of your ass. However, neither is likely to happen.

The more reasonable scenario is that there may be some limited attacks. And, yes, even if I or a loved one dies in one, it's worth defending the Constitution over this supposed "protection" that W and company have given us.

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Could be worse, you could be as dangerous a threat to the U.S. as Al Qaeda.

What would be left of it if we're all dead?

Neither is a good reality but we're not becomming a police state, this is a nonsensical exaggeration and what you talk about doesn't affect you, it affects terrorists. However geting your head blown off does affect you and every other American.

Its not a unfair seizure and it applies to the ciizens of our lands, not illegal aliens.

Right, which is much better right?

No that's not even remotely possible and neither is the prospect of a pig flying or you humping the anus of a dead chicken on the side of the road.

Okay let's say you or a few of your loved ones die? Say we started to appease and tolerate that and then we start down the slippery slope of saying that a few minor attacks are okay and that if they're small its fine and then slightly bigger attacks are okay and then after that we're too politically correct to be able to even criticise it or condem it, soon we'll be classing them as mere criminals, we'll just say its a freedom movement, we'll start saying its okay to allow Al Qaeda to run for political office and on and on. Is that an America you wanna live in?

Right now one of the few things we have going for us in this war is that no matter what we just won't stand an attack against our citiens, we lose that and we lose this war.

True.



How, exactly, are the ter'rists going to kill 300,000,000,000 Americans?

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. We're becoming dangerously close to a police state. It will be interesting to see if W resists a transition out of office; I have a feeling he will.

I don't fear for my life, especially from terrorists. I'm much more afraid of other things, like the idiot in the giant SUV who tried to run me over this afternoon because he was driving like the typical asshole in an SUV. And, realistically, people like him are exponentially more of a threat to my life.

Is it? Were there zero individuals involved who were legal residents? The Constitution requires the use of a warrant. If none was used here, to enter these houses is CLEARLY a violation of the 4th Amendment.


I'm not sure.

But it's reasonable that the "terrorists" are going to kill every single American?

How many have they killed, exactly? 3000? That's less than 0.001% of the population. I think infected paper cuts kill more than that.

You're just being delusional here. I've not said any of that. I'm sure Rush or Hannity want you to believe that the EVIL LIBERALS think that way, but it's nowhere near the truth.


What war? Who are we fighting? How will we know when we've won? Who surrenders?


It's sad to see people so utterly convinced to be afraid of the Boogeyman.

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Um, nobody will.

Our population has only roughly tripled in size since 1915, when it surpassed the 100,000,000 mark.

It's doubtful that America will ever be home to 300,000,000,000 people, which is about 1,000 times the current US population...

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I was wondering where we suddenly had 300 Billion folk in our land and the rest of the world only had 6 billion!

I guess our immigration policy really does suck!

Better to address the rare typo than the issue I guess.

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I never said that you think that way. I said that it could be s slippery slope that could become our life if we keep going down the path of accepting (bit by bit more and more that's where it would lead us. Just after 9-11 we would have never accepted someone saying "A few people dying here and there is okay" and the minute we start to think that way we lose this war. I don't think liberals are evil at all, you're not intellgent enough to be evil. Stupid? Pleanty but not evil, just irrelevant mainly.

I'm not afraid, i know we're gonna win. I'm not scared of muslim terrorists and i wanna fight them, to utterly destroy them. We are safer now than we have ever been thanks to this President and if we keep doing what we have for these last 6 years we'll be just fine.

So, now you're going to call me stupid?



Interesting. I suspect I out-think you in just about any measurable way.



They're really safe in North Korea. You'd like it there. No thinking. No stress. None of those little freedoms to get in your way.



Maybe when you finish puberty you'll stop seeing the world in such extremes, and understand that you can't utterly destroy "them," because as you try to kill them you just create more of them.

This President has done far more to make the world dangerous for Americans than it has been in decades. It's too bad you can't see that.

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I said liberals aren't intelligent, you equate that to you being stupid that's upto you.

No you don't, simply becuse you don't seem capable of thinking for youself.

Only if i were the person in charge. Everyone would say a dictatorship would be a heck of a lot easier, if they happened to be the dictator that is.

Sure, but don't worry, i assume you'll be dead by then. The terrorist you cheerlead for will probably have killed you by then.

Dear Lord, all Bush's fault; lets leave it at that, it'll be a very fitting end to just blame it (whatever it is) at Bush's feet.

So, then, brainiac, please explain the difference.





You've got to be kidding.


I'd never want to be a dictator. I don't have the requisite lust for power or ruthlessness.


Show me my "cheerleading." It's fascinating how many different times you have accused me of saying or doing something, and yet you have NEVER once proven it. Surely there's got to be a rule about that somewhere on these boards.


And you conveniently forget that you were the one who said that Bush had made us the safest we have ever been.

Tell me, if we're so safe because of W, why in the world did 9/11 happen on his watch, especially after he was specifically warned "OBL determined to strike US?"

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Oh shit... looks like we have a true bad-ass on our hands here...

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