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Old 08-28-2007
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

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Bob, how do pictures of a very old Charles Darwin and a fairly young Carl Sagan demonstrate anything?
Weird. Just weird.

But then I believe Hank is the embodiment of the experiences Chang Wufei had in American class rooms.
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Atheists, agnostics, and the otherwise non-religious made up 15% of the population in 2001, up from 8.4% in 1990. I suspect the numbers are even higher now.
Even if Hank didn't make things up himself it wouldn't matter. I'm pleased to say that many religious people - and, at least from my POV, even very religious people - are perfectly able to distinguish between science and religion. While religion certainly seems to be a prerequisite for rejecting science despite the fact that, given the chance, it could be easily understood, it would be quite absurd if atheism was a prerequisite for actually understanding science.
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All life “as with civilization, intellect and invent” is designed to advance. Less then a single percent of the entire human race believe in evolutionary origin.
I doubt that. That certainly isn't the case in America. According to a 1997 Gallup Poll, 39% of the population believes in "god-guided" evolution, and an addition 10% believe in evolution without a god, Making 49% who subscribe to some form of the theory of evolution (as opposed to creationists, who represent 44% of those polled.)
I hate to burst your bubble but representation of 100’s of millions of people in America can not be shown by News Week poling 100’s of there liberal reading audience.
Don’t Google, argue logic. You will find no truths on the enternet.
Darwinism is a Marxist movment from the 1960's, nothing more.
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Not believing in evolution doesnt imply that someone thinks the world is only a few thousand years old. Thought it is hard to argue that evolution doesnt exist if the world is a few billion years old.
Atoms only last a few thousand years...
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Not accepting some form of the theory of evolution is rejection of logical thought. I try to be tolerant of others' religious beliefs, but as far as I'm concerned, creationists who believe the earth is 6,000 years old have no scientific authority whatsoever.
If you saw the way what you call science was pushed into the academic world by the young socialist democratic party when Nam ended your opinion would change. Everything you think you know is wrong. Planetary orbits don’t even work for more then a few thousand years, billions is just stupid and of blind following (I really don‘t think you people know how big that number really is.).
Ah, just for the record if there's an orbit there’s drag (You know, force vector acting against velocity vector and all… Tides and shit are drag.).
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Atoms only last a few thousand years...
I'll bite, where did this come from?
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I hate to burst your bubble but representation of 100’s of millions of people in America can not be shown by News Week poling 100’s of there liberal reading audience.
Don’t Google, argue logic. You will find no truths on the enternet.
Darwinism is a Marxist movment from the 1960's, nothing more.
How is that possible? The Origin of Species was published in 1909.

What's the "logic" that we're supposed to be arguing here? Remember, most of us weren't even alive in the 1960s.
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Atoms only last a few thousand years...
Are you insane?

Where did you get this crap from?
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If you saw the way what you call science was pushed into the academic world by the young socialist democratic party when Nam ended your opinion would change. Everything you think you know is wrong. Planetary orbits don’t even work for more then a few thousand years, billions is just stupid and of blind following (I really don‘t think you people know how big that number really is.).
Ah, just for the record if there's an orbit there’s drag (You know, force vector acting against velocity vector and all… Tides and shit are drag.).
And your authority on this is, what, exactly?
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And your authority on this is, what, exactly?
It's in the Bible..........
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It's in the Bible..........
Which has much more basis in fact than that hogwash "science."
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I hate to burst your bubble but representation of 100’s of millions of people in America can not be shown by News Week poling 100’s of there liberal reading audience.
Unless you have information that shows that the data I've found is false, I'm going to go ahead and assume you don't have a real argument.
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Atoms only last a few thousand years...
Shit! I hope they hold out a little longer, so I at least get to see the start of football season, before the universe spontaneously degenerates into a formless soup of sub-atomic flotsam.
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No, these people out and out refute the very idea. Most just don't subscribe to the whole "man evolved from chimps" (we didn't, we just have a common ancestor) and are slightly put off by the idea. I can't blame them- that much false information is bound to create some confusion. but many others seem to simply be told not to believe in evolution, and so they simply bob their heads and get a gentle pat on the head by a ruler-wielding nun instead of a sharp whack, which is what I got for asking "why" back in my Sunday school days.
I agree that many do not believe in evolution and you may be experiencing higher rebuttal because of your location....Not sure.

It has been my personal faith that the Bible offers hints to the theory of evolution; the book of Genesis “IMO” relates to the big-bang theory

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1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
6 And God said, "Let there be an expanse between the waters to separate water from water." 7 So God made the expanse and separated the water under the expanse from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the expanse "sky." And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
9 And God said, "Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground "land," and the gathered waters he called "seas." And God saw that it was good.

and also the evolution theory.

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the LORD God formed the man [g] from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
So if these people are religious, you may be able to use the argument that the Bible hints to evolution. Being that the books contained in the Bible were written well before people could comprehend nor imagine the two theories; causes me to think that a God/Superior being was involved in the writings.
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So if these people are religious, you may be able to use the argument that the Bible hints to evolution. Being that the books contained in the Bible were written well before people could comprehend nor imagine the two theories; causes me to think that a God/Superior being was involved in the writings.
I hate this, because I am a Christian, But please, "couldn't comprehend?". If you think that creation vs. evolution is a new debate: think again! Darwin didn't begin the argument anymore than Newton "invented" gravity. Go back, read your Aristotle, your Plato. Read what they say about the different "ancient" schools of thought. For that matter, just read the first 20 pages of Will Durant's "The Story of Philosophy" and you'll work it out.

Perhaps, and I'm just spitballing here, the writer(s) of Genesis was(were) neither writing a tretise on on the physics of the origins of the universe nor of the biology of the origin of the human species. Old earth theory isn't enemy of the scripture - The true enemy of the scripture is the literalist who will tear sacred hebrew poetry from its cultural context and dash it to peices against the monolithic conversations of Physics and Biology.

The Genesis account doesn't leave room for evolution. It's a hymn of invocation to the Creator-God Yahweh and as such, with its beautiful repetition and balanced imagery lays the Glory of creation at his feet. Just as the begginning of the gospel of (attributed to) John rewrites the genesis hymn of invocation to give THAT glory to Christ.

Evolution as a theory doesn't deal with such eschataological concerns and thus isn't a competing theory. Secularism perhaps, materialism certainly. But not evolution. Science never asks "to whom does the final honour and glory belong?" It only asks what are the biological mechanisms involved in X.
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