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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

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And, of course, the tree ring history goes back 10,000 years.

Got to see those trees last weekend. Pretty amazing to be in the presence of a creature that is 4000 years old.
I saw a cross section once that was labeled with historical arrows for like Christopher Columbus, Spanish American war ect. You still have to watch out for counter science, the deceivers have all angels covered. They estimate in theory some bush is 12,000 years old to through a monkey in the wrench (No pun intended.). Nothing living dates back past the flood. This is a tangible fact and historically documented..
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

Except, of course Bob, you're wrong.

http://www.tree-ring.co.uk/Tree-ring...g%20Dating.htm

The record goes back 10,000 years.

What does lack, of course, is evidence of a global flood. But, why would you let that little science thing get in your way? It's much more fun just to make things up, right?


Oh, and the "shrinking sun" thing is a myth.

The Legend of the Shrinking Sun

Damn that pesky science!!!
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Atoms only last a few thousand years…
That depends. The way an atom of an element "disappears" is through a nuclear reaction, and then it becomes another element or isotope, depending on the element and reaction. Until the advent of the atomic age, nuclear reactions only occurred (in any significant rate or frequency to cause such massive changes in mass) on a sun. A nuclear reaction is the way new elements are made from other elements. Isotopes of an element can decay into another isotope, but is still the same element and differs only by it’s number of neutrons. For the most part (except for some kinetic effects) it behaves the same way chemically. The decay of an isotope does happen on Earth quite often and naturally. I am not really sure what you mean here, but if we are discussing evolution, then it would be best to stay on Earth.
Decay (The opposite of create.) is the destiny of everything existing.
Left alone atoms could by theory last from nanoseconds to whenever, on heavy atoms the answer is unknown and taken to the highest probability for theory correlation. The tolerance rate would be close to +/- 99.9% and not useful in practical application, only demonstrations and lectures.
The point is they are not left alone by a long shot, there’s stuff everywhere and every when constantly interacting with everything that’s ever been. These Nam era ass-clowns do not know they’re billions of years old, they know by theory they could be shown to last that long if you look at it a biased way and place them somewhere out in intergalactic space away from any influence but duration and existence itself.
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The same as with celestial mechanics. The force vector of the nucleus acting on the velocity vector of the electrons to create an orbit are forces and thus consume energy. The energy created by atoms is from the disintegration process.…
Since all this you are describing (I think...) is the atomic mechanical forces, the atomic particles about which you are speaking exist in equilibrium, thus there is no disintegration. For arguments sake and considering we are only taking into account Newtonian mechanics, to what would these atomic particles disintegrate? In other words, where did the mass go? If you are speaking of isotopic decay, then we still have that element and it went nowhere. If you are speaking about a parent element that is radioactive, it decayed into another isotope and/or a lighter element.
There is really no such thing as mass. Atoms aren’t really made out of anything parse, nothing was ripped out of nothing creating a difference of potential between nothing and the hole in nothing (You may have to think about that for a minute. )
God created the heavens and the earth from nothingness.

The only reason your fingers aren’t going through your key board is because of like charges repelling each other. Our entire universe is energy and only energy creating an illusion of substance by simple difference of potentials out of nothings (I mean, is that ingenious or what?)..
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The sun is a yellow dwarf. It produces hydrogen, there is 1 hydrogen atom per cubic centimeter of interplanetary space. This is common knowledge not worth the time to Google (It’s high school science.). You can use your own deduction to see the drag of hydrogen @ 1 cubic centimeter (A grape.) against the diameter of the earth…
Are you speaking about the density as one that is homogeneous or is this an average density of a heterogeneous dispersion of hydrogen?
Dispersion. One atom per cc, not one atom =‘s 1cc…
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Secondly, if this density you quote is 1 atom/cc, do you think one atom occupies all the volume of that cubic centimeter when you are asking us to determine the drag on something the size of a grape? I'm not quite sure what you mean.
The hydrogen in our interplanetary space is so thin, you will only find one atom searching the volume of a grape…
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That’s because it’s per second. Scientific notation doesn’t even go high enough to multiply 5-6x10 to the positive 9th (years)x 31,556,926 (seconds)x 6.348 grams…
Scientific notation can go as high as you want it to go, just like numbers can go as high as you like.
It was tease: [Sarcasm]Scientific notation doesn’t even go high enough to multiply 5-6x10 to the positive 9th (years)x 31,556,926 (seconds)x 6.348 grams…[/Sarcasm]
My bad…
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Not that this is even a complete formula to calculate how much drag is exerted, we don't know if hydrogen is a constant over that periode. the sun shrinks 5 feet a day. Hell the earth would be inside the sun at it's present trajectory in reference to how large the sun would have been that long ago.
And that drag is on something the size of a grape? I'm not too clear on what you are saying.
In my correspondence with “Dilettante“, I presented the analogy that the resistance of 1 hydrogen atom per cubic centimeter on such a huge area as the surface of the earth would be the same as 1 atmosphere on a baseball, it was a scale thing (The baseball would be lucky to get 10,000 orbits.).
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It is a fact that they parade heavy metal atoms as assumed indestructible (Less fusion/fission.), but other less heavy atoms decay in a few thousand years….
If we are still on Earth, unless there is a nuclear reaction, these atoms of elements will not decay into nothing; rather they decay into an isotope. The atom is still there. If we are speaking about radioactive elements, then they will decay into an isotope or a lighter element and that atom is still there. I could use some clarification on what you mean here.
I was setting him up for the question of were the heavier elements came from in the first place. Solar winds disallow interstellar dust from entering our solar system…
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Except, of course Bob, you're wrong.

Tree-Ring Dating

The record goes back 10,000 years.
Either I wasn’t clear or you didn’t comprehend what I was corresponding. I didn’t say there are no 10,000+ year old tree’s, I said there are no alive trees older then a few thousand years.
Pre-flood there was no life span for anything (Thus giant lizards, bugs and shit that were hundreds or thousands of years old.).
Post flood everything has a life span, things thousands of years old are believed to be seeds that survived the flood and will live as long as there not killed our injured by something as they date exactly to records. Seed created after the flood from the same family line have a life span. It‘s really weird, there’s like touchable proof everywhere.
Oh “On the tree thingy”, did you know it’s historically documented that the entire species of “Dogwood trees” (Used for construction in Rome in biblical times.). around the world died 2007 years ago and scruffy bushes came up from the roots instead of trees.
The “Cross” of Jesus was made of Dogwood. The always white flowers changed to have one petal longer than the others forming a cross with red spots were Jesus was nailed to the cross. From the blood red spots the red expands to take over the white as it withers and dies.



Weird huh: The Dogwood Tree
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What does lack, of course, is evidence of a global flood. But, why would you let that little science thing get in your way? It's much more fun just to make things up, right?
Yea, all that water reseeding to the oceans would have made quite a mess huh? One would thing it would leave proof.



Then you would have fossil records also that show life pretty much wiped out, but that could be explained away as a giant meteorite, asteroid or something if sediment was found at a correlating date of an end the world event.
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Oh, and the "shrinking sun" thing is a myth.

The Legend of the Shrinking Sun

Damn that pesky science!!!
Science??? Ha ha ha ha ha, you’re the one living a conspiracy.
It’s a pretty big one ya know, big enough to give you counter theory on tangable facts and a place to hide from real science to boot.
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There is really no such thing as mass.


Yes, all matter is a conspiracy started by Darwin in the 1960's to get out of Church.

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You're a trip, Bob.

You're using the Grand Canyon as proof of Noah's flood? Fascinating.

The problem with your baseball analagy is that the density of the atmosphere is about 10^18 particles/cm^3.

Chapter 2 -- What Is Space?

The maximum diameter of a baseball is .

What is the volume of a major league baseball?

9.25 in circumfrence / pi = 2.944 inches diameter = 7.48 cm.

In order to have equivalent drag to the earth in space, the earth would have to be 7.48 EE 18 cm in diameter. Unfortuntely, it's only 12,756.32 km in diameter (1.28 EE 9 cm). Obviously you've got no equivalence.

That's the problem with confusing your faith for truth, Bob. You can believe whatever you want. But, trying to pass this silliness off as fact when you clearly don't understand even the most basic science around it is just silly.

What is the diameter of the earth?
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~Snip~ (Hank, evolution is a settled matter as much as the fact that the earth is round and turns around the sun. Go back to sleep.)
Um hmm! You mean like the way the same bunch has declared global warming settled, killing the unborn settled, homosexuality being more then a sexual fetish settled, American history wrong until Nam era numb nuts revised it as us being the worst people in existence settled!!!
Dude, eyes man eyes (I mean *cough* damn.)…
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Um hmm! You mean like the way the same bunch has declared global warming settled, killing the unborn settled, homosexuality being more then a sexual fetish settled, American history wrong until Nam era numb nuts revised it as us being the worst people in existence settled!!!
Dude, eyes man eyes (I mean *cough* damn.)…
Those, unlike evolutionary science, are all largely, if not completely, political issues. The only people that consider evolutionary science to be a "political" issue are those who stand to gain from trying to muddy the waters - Bible Literalists.
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As I've said previously, there is no conflict in the classrooms on this issue.

There is only a political conflict between those who seek to impose their religion in the education system, and those who oppose this.
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There is really no such thing as mass “out of layman terms,” atoms aren’t made out of anything solid parse. There nothing but charges, uniform and with structure creating a difference of potential.
The only reason your fingers aren’t going through your key board is because of like charges repelling each other, not because the electrons, neutrons and protons in your atoms and the keyboard are actually colliding (That would be fission.).


Yes, all matter is a conspiracy started by Darwin in the 1960's to get out of Church.

Cute (I thought you knew this stuff.)!
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As I've said previously, there is no conflict in the classrooms on this issue.

There is only a political conflict between those who seek to impose their religion in the education system, and those who oppose this.
Ahh, other way around guy.
Censoring, labeling and concoct of counter science occurred on your end. We’re kinda pulling defense here.
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Re: Evolution: Conflict in the Classroom

Defense of what? Nobody's telling you you can't go to your church or tell your kids to believe whatever you want. However, in school, especially in science class, kids need to be taught, you know, science. Not "poof, there it is" creationism that has no scientific basis.
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You're a trip, Bob.

You're using the Grand Canyon as proof of Noah's flood? Fascinating.
Not parse, it’s just an idea I’ve pondered since I flew over it a few years back. It had a majesty about it I can’t get out of my head. At 45,000 feet you can see it was caused by a flood (It’s really cool, it looks just like you left your hose on over night in a sandy area from that altitude.). There are no mountains you know, the peaks are at ground level.
I guess the only smoke and mirror they could pull over an end of the world event was date manipulation and event theory’s like an asteroid hit, it’s not like they could hide the event all together.
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The problem with your baseball analagy is that the density of the atmosphere is about 10^18 particles/cm^3.

Chapter 2 -- What Is Space?

The maximum diameter of a baseball is .

What is the volume of a major league baseball?

9.25 in circumfrence / pi = 2.944 inches diameter = 7.48 cm.

In order to have equivalent drag to the earth in space, the earth would have to be 7.48 EE 18 cm in diameter. Unfortuntely, it's only 12,756.32 km in diameter (1.28 EE 9 cm). Obviously you've got no equivalence.
I don’t care about that anymore. I just picked it out of thin air for a laymen analogy of scale on orbital hindrance. Method and argument can prove anything either way, it’s always been a “most people agree” thingy at our given intellect.
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That's the problem with confusing your faith for truth, Bob.
Do they like tell you we go around all the time thinking about existence, awareness and creation??? Your really off base on this one, science gives me a hard on.
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You can believe whatever you want. But, trying to pass this silliness off as fact when you clearly don't understand even the most basic science around it is just silly.
Labeling argument is what put you in your dilemma in the first place. Always keep an opened mind.
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My bad…In my correspondence with “Dilettante“, I presented the analogy that the resistance of 1 hydrogen atom per cubic centimeter on such a huge area as the surface of the earth would be the same as 1 atmosphere on a baseball, it was a scale thing (The baseball would be lucky to get 10,000 orbits.).I was setting him up for the question of were the heavier elements came from in the first place. Solar winds disallow interstellar dust from entering our solar system…
OK, let's accept that the resistance on the earth is about the same as the resistan